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Do we still need a reservation or quota system in India?

March 13, 2013

Whether to have a reservation/quota system or not is still a debatable question in India. The Indian Constitution has a law for the same and according to this; reservation has been made to bring underprivileged classes at par with privileged or general ones. There are numerous reservations like reservation for women, reservation for physically challenged, reservation for economically backward class, reservation for Scheduled Castes etc. Though, reservation system is an evident discrimination, but it had been started with a very good objective of uplifting the socially backward society to give them equality of opportunities. But with time its meaning and the way it has been taken by the people has left many of us to believe that it has stopped delivering for what it was made. People have started misusing it. There are many examples of people making false documents just to get a seat in a college or a job. This leaves the more eligible candidate to give their seat to a person belonging to a reserve category.

What has led to the formulation of reservation system in India?The deep rooted caste system in India is the actual cause of the reservation system. Dominantly, the skin colour of the person was taken into account at the time when caste system came into being, like the fairer ones enjoyed being Brahmins or upper caste and the darker ones were Shudras or lower caste. This led to the total segregation of our society and to equalize this, the idea of reservation came into existence after independence. Hence in 1950 the quota for backward classes was made and from time to time many new quotas and reservations have been added to this.

But still, the condition of so called underprivileged sections in India are the same even that we have crossed so many decades of independence. Reservation is working in the opposite direction to its main objective as is demarcating the society further. It is being used to uplift one section of the society at the cost of another, which is not fair. Instead of this there should be equal opportunities for all. Moreover, a capable candidate does not need any certificate of being from a lower caste to prove their worth. It is his mind, education and ability to compete that can bring change in life. Taking a seat just by showing your under privileged certificate won’t give you anything, but just the degree or a job.

Also the reservation system in India is creating a workforce which is not capable enough to compete at the global level. India needs people for growth and development but reservation is adding undeserving candidates as well. So I think reservation system should be demolished and if the government really wants to uplift the underprivileged sections of the society then a well-balanced policies should be formulated. First of all such sections of the society should be clearly identified that need development and financial aids. Then to uplift them free education, or incentives and financial assistance should be provided. Once done let them face the competition, true competition. Make them capable, show them  theright path and infuse a fighting spirit in them as no one is against healthy competition.

There was a quota system in US as well, but it was abolished long ago. But it does not mean that they are not working for the underprivileged in their society. For admission and appointment purposes, now they have point systems in which people from backward regions are given some extra points but, not a certain number of seats. So, though the government is helping the needy, but it is not at all discriminating or snatching away the rights of eligible candidates.

Also from time to time such reforms or laws must be evaluated by experts and their impact on the development of under privileged and overall society must be assessed. Also, calculate the way these are changing the per capita income, number of people below poverty line etc. Politicians should stop using reservation system as a gimmick to have a permanent vote bank. Education should not be a part of politics. Instead nurture the saplings right from childhood for their bright future and then there won’t be any need of so called reservation system in India.

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kudleppa sangappa ranjangi October 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm

we hats up our p m modi

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Awesome Article. Knowledgable. Thanks for sharing.

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genskie-sekreti.ru September 24, 2014 at 1:11 am

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Reservation is bane for india

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Why the doctors/ engineers don’t write their qualification with quota or non-quota in their sign board? We are consumer while taking medicine or getting kidney operated from/by the doctors we must know who is playing with my life. While entering in a building or driving over a fly-over we are actually a consumer of that engineer’s product. Where is our safety? As a customer can I ask a doctor or engineer whether he is talented or quota-wale?

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Clementina Berlinghof August 14, 2014 at 2:39 am

Really great work. I find most of these points interesting.

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jaspal debbarma August 14, 2014 at 1:41 am

First of all i m very gladfull and proud to be indian .according to me reservation system of India was really made with a great though and scene of humour ,but since the generations of these century are changing ,
government should has to be attentive and should focus in what the India’s actually need for its reservation.

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If still caste is acting, Reservation also must. Caste is the root of reservation. Can you destroy caste system? I think no. Because the majority people of India divided by caste.

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Vishnuprageeth N P July 25, 2014 at 9:04 pm

Reservation is necessary.but that should be on the basis of income instead of cast.why doesn’t the government introduce an economically backward class(EBC) in place of SC,ST,OBC etc?

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according to me , in today’s life everyone is equal whether he or she belongs to any caste or religion.But this policy of reservation is creating a negative impact on many peoples. for e.x a student in jee advance(iit exam) is scoring 72 marks got a selection in iit , whereas a student who is getting 150 marks doesn’t. I just only mean to say is there any fault of being in a general category, even while having a good caliber, he doesn’t get selected then where does this student stands.

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expecting modi gonna abolish reservations completely…

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reservation policy is a revenge taken by our past on our future.

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Reservation and quota system has been made with sole intetntion of Votebank poliicks keeping reservation system we are only making them more weaker as they will depend in it and wont improve themselves. on he other side i have sen when remaining vacant positions are welcome by all the cast SC , ST , and OBC having reservation then too they apply from here from general quota also even criteria set high with standards as compare to others which is totally illogical , when everybody is expected to treat same all human being so why here we are making difference it should be simple on the basis of merit which ultimately people will get motivation and compete with by developing themselves

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It’s the second decade of the 21st century going on and still we are following the rule which was going on in British and pre-British era, but now the scenario is just the opposite, the oppressed of that time is the oppressor of today.

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plz refer to AP High Court WP 3754/2012, CC 1023/2013. A case study ‘How a Fake SC can escape from LAW easily, even though he/she is caught & removed by Dist Collector as per constitutional enquiry. But no respect is paid to it. Corruption roots are solid every where including High Court. Dalits are cheated even by other caste woman. A Real story in Hyderabad, Andhra saraswatha parishad, Ramkothi, Hyderabad. Smt Biruda Raja Ratnam w/o Sarikonda Papa Raju, got appointed as telugu lecturer in 2002 with fake SC, denying a genuine SC candidate at that time. Every year, she managed enquiries. This time, she managed even High Court, as family members warned to be aware of her and her lawyer.

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Reserved jobs are occupied by fakes and no one is worried even though Dist Collector removes them. They put up an appeal to Principal Secretary to review the removal order. Meanwhile Your lawyer will ensure reinstatement, salary is drawn regularly to share. Reply never comes or Dist collectors gets transferred.Corruption in High Court is very high as per corporate lawyers, who ensures favorable report. plz refer one such case. Smt Biruda Raja Ratnam, Telugu Lecturer, ASP Oriental College, RamKothi, Hyderabad. She got fake SC, caught by Dist Collector to get removed. But Dist Collector orders were suspended, reinstated, salary paid with two contempt of court orders were slapped against IAS officers. Plz meet her family members, how they were also cheated by her and her lawyer threatened them that HC is for corrupt people only.Dist collector’s report need not to be referred. Even though she did not have SC parents, Judges will endorse her to SC, as per their wish. May god punish them.

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oppose reservation June 14, 2014 at 12:06 am

why should reservation be there in india .because of this the poor people are getting poorer and the rich getting richer and can you believe this , there are spoonful chances for the people eith oc caste.it should be discouraged

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Absolutely correct,i hope the new government will demolish completely the quota system based on caste,gender,physical condition etc. So that deserving candidates will have the seat only after facing true competition and take necessary policies towards uplifting socially backward and underprivilled person to make them face real challenge but not to be succeed through any quota

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yeah what you said is absolutely right.Government should go ahead in uplifting the backward people not by reservation.

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Vishnuprageeth N P June 6, 2014 at 9:04 pm

Reserved persons are most undeserved nowadays.

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Vishnuprageeth N P June 6, 2014 at 9:00 pm

A reserved person live with good facility and job and still enoys many considerations than a so called un reserved ‘upper class’ even though he is undeserved.

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Yeah i agree with you.I am against for reservations to persons who are above poverty line.

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Terrell Langford May 23, 2014 at 12:03 pm

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The quality of medical graduates and undergraduates in the last fifteen and the next ten years will define healthcare in India. Only merit, skill compassion and perseverance is needed to make a good doctor. But do students with these attributes attain medical education or become doctors? Many don’t and a few who can afford the very high fee structure of a private medical college go through a period of training which is sub optimal or insufficient as compared to government institutions. Further the private colleges themselves lay lesser stress on merit that decreases the intellectual level of the peer group. So if the country wants a healthy and uncorrupted healthcare system, care must be taken to identify genuine candidates and give them medical seats irrespective of their caste , religion state and economic status. Further doctors for social and educational development can go to both govt run and private schools and scan for such eligible candidates. Medical education should be uniform free of reservation and affordable to deserving candidates and this is possible only if it is centralised and transparent. Furthermore uniform pay packages better quality of life at the post graduation and training level and overseas training opportunities will give society better doctors.

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Milo Karamchandani May 19, 2014 at 4:52 pm

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Hey! Nation M sharad I live in banglore, karnataka & I belong to SC caste Wht u ppl are saying is ryt regarding reservations
But still I face dat type of situations Wht SC’s faced in older days they won’t allow me in certain temples if I go to shop the shop keeper won’t take money in his hand he asks me to keep over the table my class mates started avoiding me they use treat me like slave these are just basic which I face every day if say in depth even if u r not from back ward category Ull drop tear from ua eyes .

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    Jayant K Raghavan July 1, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    When you are AIR 3900 (gen category) and you get IIT BHU-Chemical, & your friend who is AIR 5700 (OBC) gets IIT Bombay-Chemical, then tears drop from our eyes… What do you know? you dont know what is pain at all, we are denied govt jobs, colleges, education just because we are general, we dont want friends, we dont mind putting the money on the table, we dont even mind polishing the shoes of the shopkeeper. Give us our damn rights!!

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nowadays reservation is not at all needed in india
because student belong to general category lose seats though they get highest marks and those with low marks get scholarships in the name of sc st reservation
if today ambedkar is alive then he would have really banned reservation ,help poor peoples not in the name of reservation but in according to their marks
In our college student with more than 90% have to pay 8000
but sc student with first class have to pay just 4000
this is actually not at all a right to equality
govt only making partiality
why all this our country will never become developed because of this useless reservations if our country have to be developed then we must ignore all those reservations and by providing villagers,poors good education and have to provide all facilities
reservation is not at all for upliftment but to discriminate
sc/st in the name of caste

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reservation is for upliftment of those people who suffered for centuries because of caste system.A student leaving in slum can’t get good education because of two reasons:
1.Economic condition
2.Belonging to lower caste
if a upper caste person is economically week he is respected in Hindu society and even if a lower caste person is economically stable he is not respected even in present time.
How can a person living in SLUM study well like a boy who live’s in a flat/bunglow.He can’t get good coaching in a reputed coaching class. there should be reservation until there upliftment. But the people belonging to lower caste and economically strong should not take reservation, if you will not take reservation your brother from slum will get its benefit.

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we need people who think about what is to be done, not the maniacs who are still wandering in the past. just read some comments ( nilesh, mr gopi , dheeraj and more), they have remedies, and i heartily appretiate it. if you have remedies, just share , make people aware of it , and if u don’t, it’s better just read instead of shits like general ones must be ready for revolution and shits like this
( i read this somewhere in comments). people are talking like brahmins are this and obcs are that.. yr keeping one leg in the past and judging your future upon that surely means you are pissing on your present, which will definitely make the future of your offspring worse.. for your own sake, stop doing that

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there should be no reservation done in india specially in education sector
it should be completely eradicated n government should take some action against this

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reservation is very necessary for sc St. sc St people is very poor and low position in society for now this time.

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    but reservation done discrimination with other castes

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    BUT THE CAPABLE ARE BEING NEGLECTED AND THE DUMB FELLOW GETS THE JOB .IMAGINE A STUDENT FROM SC GETTING 40% BECOMES A DOCTOR AND ANOTHER STUDENT GETTING 90% IS NOT GIVEN THE SEAT.AND PEOPLE SIMPLY VISIT THAT DUMB MAN WHO MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A BACTERIA IS.
    THIS IS INJUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!

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I agree to the economic basis of reservation ,
But considering the current scenario I don’t think India will ever be able to overcome this because there is NO POLITICAL WILL , the parties just want vote.

No offence to the reserved categories, bur can you imagine the trauma of a general student who studies his ass off and still not got through entrance test and what adds to this trauma is looking at an equally privileged child ,just he has an backward certificate makes him FIT for admission even he has half as much score as general caste,
If this trend continues I see an India where one day general category will be labeled as backward because of unequal and unfair opportunities.
To me I think that the solution lies where only one of the living generation can use quota , as in if a child’s father has obtained an MBBS degree with help of quota and got a job in govt workplace through reservation his son shall not be allowed to obtain certificate as backward because what’s actually backward has not been faced by the child

AND for the people who say discrimination still exists, change your thinking
,you have inferiority complex for which you take petty matter up to ur caste and blame your caste , if you are so embarrassed of being called a dalit that what is actually your identity then have the guts to drop your quotas and trust me we will respect you more than maybe anyone ,But having reservation benefits is very rosy .

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I think the main problem is not reservation. Main problem is not getting job to live a better life. So,stop arguing and do something to make India a corruption free country. Because of corruption each and every citizen of India is getting affected and not getting job is one of it.

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    gurpreet singh April 18, 2014 at 1:06 am

    Give 10 % reservation to poor upper class .

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      gurpreet singh April 18, 2014 at 1:26 am

      Make same caste marriages a criminal offence & transfer of property, land ,business( including Mr Asim premjis) a lottery system . Instant soloution to casteism,poverty,economic inequality. Any of you have guts ?

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    main reason for corruption is reservation madam what you know to prepare duplicate income certificate sc/st will also offer bribe and involve in corruption.I have seen many people like that.

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people wants just money or money people….but not ethics

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why people(private owners of educational intitutes) want management seats which is sold at highest price….let them give at nominal price under govt GENERAL quota….

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eventually get recognised by there caste at all time….n give lecture abt opposing discrimination

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Even till today people put there surname pertaining to there caste….n feel proud

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GuRjeet singh April 5, 2014 at 3:01 pm

Listen guyz if you think the sc/st class are really poor if u think they are rich so take a look at ur expenditures and theres…
They need concessions but i m also against this reservation there should be only concessions in fees not reservations which is not less than a nightmare for a deserving rich person….

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We want modi

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Hi,friends several time we intimated on TV as well in news papers for increments of salary by govt.,,and it was about to aligned from the April First,Very Since it has been Announced ,,What is your openion abt it,,,

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Hi Friends,After a long Conversation of this matter,Still we need of reservation and alignment ,,but it should be on priority base for those do have reasonable requirement,,They will bless and us also would be able to get their needs,,,,,,

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S. Suchindranath Aiyer April 3, 2014 at 1:17 pm

No ideal state can be achieved when founded on trash. Rose trees do not bloom from parthanium roots. Mysore is a classic example of what can happen when founded on ideals and what happens when those same ideals are destroyed. Mysore had universal primary and secondary education with health care and nutrition and NO reservations. Gandhi called it “Rama Rajya” though His Highness Krishna Raja Wadeyar prefrred to call it “Camelot”. When the British pushed “reservations” as part o their divide and tule policy into Mysore through the Maharaja, the Diwan, Sir M. Vishweshwaraya who has done more for ALL the people of Mysore than any man save Sir Mark Cubbon, resigned. The words in his resignation letter were as prophetic in its way as Sir Winston’s prognosis for India. “Only the very best competence and integrity can help raise the wretched of the earth to the status of human beings. There is no short cut. You cannot elevate the wretched and expect them to do the work that the most talented and competent find arduous” Today Mysore has been more thoroughly trashed than any other state of the Indian Union because there was so much more to trash.

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below poverty people need reservation but in india upper class people also utilizing reservation that the problem. upper class having govt job all family memebers then lower class people not having each single job in govt sector.

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All stupid people living in India that’s why this country cant be develop anymore as the other countries are well developed. Bcoz indian people live in caste-ism and egoist by nature especially who belong to upper class which is created by themselves not created by God.God only created human being..He didnt put any human in high and low category..This cheap things only created by some mad people itself who live in India..and they be proud by called themselves hindu..I am also hindu but I feel bad when every person who proudly said they are hindu but their thinking is so narrow minded..now its depend on human what they want to become Devil or Angel..Nobody is lower and higher by caste or religion..they become high and low by their behavior..Reservation should be stop itself when you all leave this stupid casteism..Say no caste and no community..All are hindu who live in hindustaan understood..

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We always talk about religion and castesim but in reality there is no any caste and religion. We all are same our blood are same.then why we believe in discrimination. God never created any caste they made simple human being.. Mentally sick people take the path of fundamentalism and spread casteism and communism. They suffer from inferiority complex and divide the society into “we” and “they”. They (belonging either to higher or lower ranked caste) have a fear in their heart that if they do not get a higher place for themselves in society, “other” people are going to exploit them and going to put them down.They don’t have believe on themselves and their own work. They have doubt own their capability. People with negative mindset suffer from inferiority complex and divide society into compartments like higher castes or lower castes.and can’t tolerate “others” progress or well-being. They cannot work hard and cannot tolerate anybody else’s achievements. These are the people with negative mindset who believe in ranking some belonging to higher castes and/or some to lower castes. They are coward and they are unable to protect themselves…

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Todays India does not need the reservation system. Why?
To my concern..
1. Reservation system widespread the caste discrimination. Which should be eradicated
2. Due to this system incompetent and unskilled persons are getting opportunity
Which puts tje growth of India on the backfoot.

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First u have to remove caste system untouchability like things then u can remove reservation system

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Kaushik Sarkar,
I read all your comments.I agree with all your points.Your points really helped me a lot for my debate competition.Thank you very much.Keep writing.Thanks once again.

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सबसे पहले तो मैं आपके विचारों के लिए तहेदिल से शुक्रिया कहना चाहता हूँ I आज भी दलित वर्ग उतना ही दबा हुआ है जितना आजादी के समय था, फर्क सिर्फ इतना सा आया कि पहले वह शारीरिक व् मानसिक रूप से गुलाम था और आज वह मानसिक रूप से गुलाम है . आज एक दलित अधिकारी अपने ही समाज मैं जाने से पहले दस बार सोचता है जबकि सामान्य वर्ग मैं सहरी परिक्षेत्र पुरातन मनुवाद ख़त्म सा हो चुका है I हलाकि गावों मैं हालत जस के तस हैं.

मैं तो सिर्फ इतना कहना चाहता हूँ कि अगर आरक्षण नहीं दिया गया होता तो जो नकसलवाद कुछ राज्यो मैं है वो आज पुरे देश मैं होता या ये हो सकता है कि भारत आज भी दुबारा गुलाम होता

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    All human-beings are equal in the eyes of God.The human-beings have only created the caste system.There are good and bad people in both high caste as well as low caste.
    Ultimately,what matters to God is, whether one is a good person or striving to become one, or not.

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I read almost all the comments and all are good from their view. Here one said quality education. I just can’t understand how the students get the quality of education is it from convents only?? Can’t we get it from Govt. schools. To say simply how many convents engaging qualified teachers. But Govt. schools not like that. Mere schools can’t give education it should come from home also by practicing. Some says that since the backward people are more than 80% reservations should be continued. Its not politics. One said general category people only becoming cine stars and business man. The person becoming cinestar is not based on the reservation it is based on the talent. There is negative thought on brahmins they treats the backward people as slaves. It is wrong in many villages they each others (both Brahmin and non- brahmins) used to call with relations in their language. Any body can became star no capital no investment. One said a we can’t witness an upper caste person begging on roads. We don’t know the begger is upper class or lower class but he is a poor class (for food) And many said that the reservations should be based on the financial position which can be acceptable. But how can u identify that he/she becomes financially poor. We can continue the reservation not based on the marks. Governments should help financially by giving chance to go tution to develop their studies. First of all inspire every one that they can read well by providing moral support. If the reservations are based on the marks it indirectly says that the low knowledged people can only get the reservation and it creates laziness in students in their studies. I agree that many of the students who are all getting reservation can read better than some of the General category. My humble request is don’t depend upon reservations it will help you up to some level only but talent will help long life in your caeer. As a father of two engineering students, wishing good to all.

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We always talk about religion and castesim but in reality there is no any caste and religion. We all are same our blood are same.then why we believe in discrimination. God never created any caste they made simple human being..caste and community only created by stupid people who are mentally sick and had fear in their heart bcoz if they will not choose higher place for themselves then other people going to defeat them and going to put them down..bocz they don’t have believe on themselves and their own work..they have doubt own their capability..they always think negative we cnt do hard work if other person give their best then they must be achieve something better than them..by creating high and low community and even not asked to any people wh are coward they put themselves to higher community…bcoz they are coward and they to protect themselves….

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Many a time, man has taken birth in high caste and low caste; but this does not make him great or low

Having been born in high caste man thinks himself to be great and being born in low caste thinks himself to be low and pitiable; both of these states of mind are wrong because many times man has been born in high and low castes. Hence, one should not be proud of having been born in high caste and not feel low if born in low caste family.

Greatness has nothing to do with high caste. Man becomes great because of his noble work, exemplary character and becomes loathsome because of his immorality and evil conduct. Thus, it is his conduct only that decides his greatness or lowliness. Who does not know that high family born Ravana, Kansa, Duryodhana and others are censurable; whereas Metarya muni, Harikeshi muni and others, though born in low family, are venerable.

Then, what is the importance of high or low caste?

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Hindu (body) four community: brahmin (head) kshatriya (arm) vaishya (belly) shudra (feet) All these four communit called as hindu. We all are parts of one body. Without each part our body is not complete. If we lost one part of our body then we become handicap. The human body is the entire structure of a human being. Human Body is considered so loving that God even wants to have it. Spiritual Yogis have found that after going through the 84 millions species this souls get the most dignified human body. So it is the last step to explore the God or to get the view of almighty father god. We know that the soul never dies it takes birth again and again just like as we take new clothes to wear the soul as it takes new body and it is an infinite process. But the body what we get in next birth depend on our karma that thas been cited in Gita by Lord Krishna to Arjuna. We all here to perform our duties. Our action makes our destiny and nothing else. The result is in the hand of supreme power. Karma is the seed of plant and if the seed is genuine it must be fruitful.

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All stupid people living in India that’s why this country cant be develop anymore as the other countries are well developed. Bcoz indian people live in caste-ism and egoist by nature especially who belong to upper class which is created by themselves not created by God.God only created human being..He didnt put any human in high and low category..This cheap things only created by some bastard itself who live in India..and they be proud by called themselves hindu..I am also hindu but i wanna spit on that every person who proudly said they are hindu but their thinking is so narrow minded..now its depend on human what they want to become Devil or Angel..Nobody is lower and higher by caste or religion..they become high and low by their behavior..Reservation should be stop itself when you all leave this stupid casteism..Say no caste and no community..All are hindu who live in hindustaan understood idiot people..

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Well Said Soorya!!! Shivaji Maharaj also had to face the reservation problem. no bharhmin were theri at the time of shivaji maharj’s Rajyabhishek because brahmin had a mentality that Only bharhmin can be a King of the Hindustan no Maratha can take that seat!!! ohh common due to Shivaji maharaj only brahmins Sir ki shendi is secured till now… well brahmini people are the most educated people in the country then y the hell they didnt even bother to open a woman / girls school in india, it means they just wanted to be educated just for them selves. Mahatma Jyotiba Phule and Shrimati Savitri bai phule wife of Jyotiba Phule. this husband and wife were belongs to a lower caste means where there was no scope for education but they thgouth to open a school for girls in Pune. Why not any Kulkarni, Deshpande, Bhat etc. ect brahmin people came together to support them to open a school for girls.

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    Many a time, man has taken birth in high caste and low caste; but this does not make him great or low Having been born in high caste man thinks himself to be great and being born in low caste thinks himself to be low and pitiable; both of these states of mind are wrong because many times man has been born in high and low castes. Hence, one should not be proud of having been born in high caste and not feel low if born in low caste family.
    Greatness has nothing to do with high caste. Man becomes great because of his noble work, exemplary character and becomes loathsome because of his immorality and evil conduct. Thus, it is his conduct only that decides his greatness or lowliness. Who does not know that high family born Ravana, Kansa, Duryodhana and others are censurable; whereas Metarya muni, Harikeshi muni and others, though born in low family, are venerable.
    Then, what is the importance of high or low caste?

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I belong to SC. It is bad to see an eligible student not making what beneficiary get with almost half. But things go on and on !!.

Financial condition should be taken into consideration at this time..

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reservation is just a same policy of divide an rule followed by Indian political leaders…..if u really want to give reservation u should give it to th needy people …who really deserved….India development would always hinders until th this system is totally roll back….

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i agree wid u thevinure r many
but poor people in ination dia to get education & all d things
reservation must not be based on caste it should be on povrty
reservation on caste means the gov. indiscrminating the humans by caste
& surviving the poors
we need a new law against thiz reservation

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MUST READ FOR “OBC”
Its ridiculous to think that reservation is from after independence! I know there is a chances of raise in your eyebrow !but, my dear friend , fact is india is suffering from reservation from more than 2000years. In fact Brahmins are most reservation benefited community in india since from the birth of caste system..there was absolutely no place for talent only his birth matter even though he don’t have talent!
The so called upper caste exploited the money talent and work of people of so called lower caste in the name of god and religion .. There was literally no place for talent , ones talent was judged by birth not by his work. (this is the reason why british and moghal are ruled india very easily though india has big population to fight back and this is the only example in the world for ruling the country with big population for a so long time! Its a tragedy.. And fact is only shivaji fought moghal very effectively who is not even a king from birth but by his talent).. and more ever caste and reservation are two faces of same coin its a twin child of hindu religion both are part of this religion.. If you have doubt in this read story mahabharat there is an clear example for talent killing caste system in that it clearly explained how karna and ekalavya is suffered from reservation system even though having talent.. This ancient reservation system of hierarchy made a so called upper caste a good economical and social back up.
Now time is changed,now its your time to fight back for your right.. Throne can be takenoff from throne and ancient reservation of hindu religion favoring some community can be only be balanced by modern reservation system favoring some other community who is not benefited from reservation of ancient hindu custom ..
And don’t ignore that even today brahmin are most reservation benefited community! I know your eyebrow gets raised again, it may be bitter fact to digest for some people but its the truth! but how, is your next question,if so please read next, the influence and recomendation are another name of reservation, brahmins are taking more reservation by the influence and recomendation than so called lower caste by government quota
tragedy is, untill there is hindu religion in india there will be a caste, till there is a caste there is a reservation(it may be influence and recomendation or influence or government quota) , this all three are like part of a tree like root , stem and leaves, tragically.
Please read this article,twice and make other to read twice.
Obc and sc st constitutes more than 80% of hindu who are eligible for government quota, for them only reservation is the hope to compete with influence and recomendation reservation of some community, be careful, if you are against reservation by lack of information you will be fooled,you [obc]have to support and take reservation and support reservation, for equalising the unfairness causing for you by influence and recomendation reservation of some people. yes its a tragedy of india because of ancient mistake of some people who made rules of religion to boost their selfish intrest, but now its the pay back time, karma cant be changed.

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Guys, I’m just a student and I belong to General Category ( Brahmin ). I know, people who belonged to SC/ST were treated very badly by our ancestors. I’m really ashamed of it. Even now, when I visit my village, many of my relatives still treat those people as untouchables. Believe it or not, I even once had an argument with them regarding the same case. I strictly said them to stop it. Mr. Amdedkar did a right thing. He asked for reservation for his people, which was absolutely correct. But note, I used the word ‘was’ . Uss zamaane mein unhone jo kiya tha woh 100 nahi, balki 101% sahi tha. But today, most people ( note that, I said most, not all) who belong to that category are misusing it. Students (belonging to General Category), who are merits lose their oppurtunity because of this. I’m not asking the Govt. to stop this policy, but to do either of the following things (in my view, do not know about yours :) ) :

(i) Can reserve seats for General Category too, not many. Atleast 2%
(ii) Can change the basis, i.e., change it from caste based to financial conditions.
These are my opinions. Suggestions are welcome. :)

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Reservation system based on Caste in India, is a state sponsored Racism accepted by the beneficiaries of Reservation only for the gains, whereas they do not wish to be referred by their caste, calling it as racism. This is a paradox. On the other hand, it is injustice to the deprived merited children. India or rather politicians just for political gains have extended and increased the reservation policy, ignoring the pace at which the world is growing and the stimulus required to keep pace with it. In other words, it is an organized attack on the growth of India for personal gains. India is the only country which has accepted Racism amongst their own citizens, whereas against racism globally.

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what are the affirmative action to come up underprivileged to an equality ,do you have any real solution or suggestion. how does an unequal become equal and getting opportunity among the equa. reservation should be continued more than 200 years.

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Its should be or should not be ….I mean to say while taking seat of education it should not be…. and while providing scholarship it shall be but with true manner of income status….government should help backward Class for money help in education not in take seat of admission e.g admission of. Engineering and doctership.. ..bcoz due to this its unfair. With toper open caste students

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we r ready to give up reservation but what if I want to marry a brahmin or want to be treated as equal or participate in some uppercaste festives without any hesitation.

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    Inter caste marriage should be encourage..bcoz if people take this step then castesim and religion based discrimination should be stop itself..we all are human being..God never created any caste and religion..even God dnt has any caste and religion…did you know that God belong to which caste and religion..then keep shut your mouth about this stupid varan system and caste system okh.. In ancient times, caste system had the seeds of liberalism. It provided the right and opportunity to get to the top from the humblest origin and earn the respect of the whole society. For example, Vashishtha, the principal of the conservative school of Brahmanism, was the son of Uravshi, a prostitute. Vishwamitra, the maker of the very Gayatri Mantra, the quintessence of the Vedic Brahmanism, was a Kshatriya. Aitreya, after whom the sacramental part of Rig-Veda is named as Aitreya Brahamana, was the son from a non-Aryan wife of a Brahman sage. Vyasa of Mahabharata fame was the son of a fish-woman and he was not ashamed of his origin. Balmiki, an untouchable according to present standards, the original author of Ramayana, is highly respected all over India..And only you can make it good or bad this inter caste marriage. Depends upon how much importance u give to these meaningless and stupid values. And how much importance u give to other people who value these meaningless things. U have to see how much u urself r attached to other people opinions. And since u r asking for opinion, it means u r attached to these meaningless things.

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I think reservation system is like a unfair competition like fight between ill person and a healthy one. So it should be eliminated anyhow. The person who belongs to reserved category having less weapons in hands, I said so because I think that by using this reserved (partial) structure and they are more and more weak as compared to the candidate who belongs to open category.

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Adinarayana sethi January 17, 2014 at 12:33 am

sir I agree with Ur opinion about reservation.but after 67 year independency we got zero result toward caste.every body known that caste is worst thing in human life.political leader are not only responsible but also all human being who want power from society.caste is power game.in the game all people are involve.each day thousand people in India losing their life because caste is god result.when I had been studying 10th standard one student from my class said caste was result of previous life works.I was suddenly asked Ur brahmin catagiry then he replied I was done good works in my previous life.these sentence shows that caste is medium of power.I had been research 2 year on the topic and finally conclude that reservation is highly requed because reservation may not functioning proper way but some 5 to 10% people getting beneficially. from these people education ratio increase step by step.slow water may take long time to break stone but result is desired one.I hope the stone god will open his eyes on that day caste going to vanished from society.brahmins will take a plate and stand road side no scripts will be helping on that day.

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General category always gets most percent of seats or job no. eg. if there is 100 seats for job or institute then the reserve cat. (SC,ST,OBC) would get total of 50 seats on the other hand Gen. cat. would get rest of the 50 seats considering that sc,st & obc can occupy seats on Gen cat. list very few from the sc, st cat. make to the list (total of 5-6) so there is almost 44-46 seats on which Gen cat. candidates can occupy. I mean to say that Gen cat. always gets the BIG ‘Piece Of the PIZZA’ & still they are crybabies. I know that Gen cat. people are also poor but they are averaging few in numbers like wise some SC & ST people are rich but same goes for those ppl too & The Government always picks the higher average side to make policy or law or rule whtever you call’em. At the end i would like to say that it seem all the people commented above me & stating that ‘Reservation must be called off’ are not competent to their own Gen. cat. candidates & crying that sc st students getting reservation and they are not(some incompetent general pple even make fake cast certificates). THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA THINKS FOR ALL INDIAN’S (NOT ONLY FOR GEN CAT.) & BELIEVE ON “INCLUSIVE GROWTH.”

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how can i join aam admi party ?

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Hi all, its much better to give reservation on the basis of economic status of the family. But in india anybody can get fake income certificate, then how could be reservation given to those people who are really poor? There are many examples of sc st obc people who stopped taking such reservation facility once they are economically good.

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absolutely i completely agree with all ur points…but obivous reservation system should be completely discarded frm our society..what d hell is dis…reservation in educational institutes..reservations in goverment jobs too…what about other more efficient nd elligible candidates…??? Due to dis system a students wid low grades can purse a degree of doc or engg…its sort of thinking such a students with low iq how it works…where else if dat seat or position would have given to other guy will purse something great…guyss jst all a silent discussion will do nothing in stopping dis syestem we have to raise our voice against dis….we have to b united nd fight against dis system nd d government entertaining such system only to gain votes nd form respective government…true face is in all dis we general people are suffering at d most….der is freedom for equality wer d hell is equality..??? guys wake up raise d voice against dis..

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Level of Benefit of reservation to single person:
..Free food/homes
1..Reservation in education (of course free).
2..SCHOLARships (who get 40%).
3..free hostels
4..No fees for applying job (Gen have(500-1000)
5..Reservation in public sector jobs.
6..Reservation in Promotions.
7..Reservation in politics.

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There should be equal chance of getting education for all. A policy for employing people for a job should be “best man for the job”.
but of course it is India. Incredible India.

if ISRO decides to send 5 astronauts to space.our govt. will declare “there will be two seats for sc, two for st and 1 for obc”.

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No matter what,just think about the poor quality of students graduating from IIT’s just beacuse they had to put in less effort to pass JEE…There are hundreds of SC/STs who have loads of money..still they are aided by the reservation system..my friend had 613 rank in AIEEE and another guy who had a rank of 818 got a seat instead of him..India needs broader thinking and sensible policies

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Deepak M Lalwani December 6, 2013 at 4:32 pm

i have a question for those guys who are in favour of reservation
- Don’t you think this reservation infringes the fundamental right (right to equality- Article 14) of the general category peoples in india?

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Well my view as a student would be that the caste discrimination system is currently a good deal of a misuse, economic classification might help the students get their books, clothes, food and even admission but it won’t raise his/her merit. A child’s true identity lies in his own hardwork, not the reservations provided by old laws of the government.
If any educational officer ever comes across these comments, then our words might prove fruitful.
I’d suggest neither to keep caste discrimination, nor economic classification, nor minority (even though I’m a Christian, I would like to stick to the justice point of the general open category).

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The only way to develop India is to remove all the caste based reservations. It is the real cause for the dismal state of our country right now. I believe there should not be any economic status based reservations either. What we really need to do is to create equal opportunities in education. u cant dilute competition and mock merit in the name of reservations. I would like to raise some points here which need to be considered carefully before evaluating reservations.

1) though there might have been caste oppression in India in the past, the situation is totally different now, except in some remote areas. Also, this form of Oppression in not unique to India. millions of Jews have been massacred and Negros were used as slaves for centuries. Do they have any reservations in any country today ??

2) Once you have a reservation, your efforts will also reduce proportionately. If a general category student should get 90% to get a medical seat, he will study to get 90%. But if a student has a reservation and need to get only 40% marks, he will study to get only those 40% marks. In this way Reservation is directly encouraging people to be lazy and not realize their total potential.

3) some of you have pointed out that the upper class has better schooling and coaching facilities which gives them an edge in a competition. This applies to the creamy layer in OBC SC ST categories who had the advantage of reservations in the past and they now provide better educational training to their children. Reservation yet again, is creating disparities rather than reducing them.

4)The percentage of reservation is based on the population of the community. This is the biggest joke of all. So if a community represents 30% of the population, 30% seats in educational and jobs should go that community, whether it has any meritorious candidates or not. how does this encourage merit??

considering all these points, the only way out for India is to abolish all kinds of reservations and give importance to Merit not to caste.

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During 1950 the economic condition and social condition was quite different . It was okay for them to uplift . But now the situation has been rapidly changed. For last sixty years some are enjoying on the otherhand some are cursing themselves instead of having requisite qualifications. Now tell me how far are we independence and equally treated ? According to me this system should be sustained no more . For the sake of our ancestors please try to eradicate this system not for the nasty politics but for the sake of our childreen. Please

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The ‘funda’ is not only the economical imbalance.. The thing is all you are thinking about the economical condition and nothing else, there are much more important things in life to brought up a baby in a healthy circumstances, the word ‘healthy’ here I used does not only mean that unko sirf acha economical position wala family hona chahiye, bas, ho gaya unka sab acha.. a healthy and to bring ‘more equal social, mental, physiological’ circumstances in all the human being is a much more broad issue than just “two family with same economical condition”.. So, unless you see all these parameters that affect to a human body structure,human mind and psychology,human character,human behavior,human physiology, human social position, etc etc., you can not come to a point that what is going or or not.. I must say again, you are only saying about the economical position. The thing is not at all so easy and simple my friend.. Yes, some politicians DO MISUSE and MISGUIDE people about these things for getting some votes, but we must think carefully that WE MAKE THEM MINISTERS, IF WE KNOW HE/SHE IS WRONG, Then THEY CANNOT EVEN GET MERELY TWO VOTES..

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    RAJ KISHOR CHOWDHURY November 25, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Sir, you are telling that if two families have same economical condition and same education even then there should be reservation. So on what other background, do you think this reservation should be based on ? Are you saying that we should blame god for making them weak ? If I am not misunderstanding, you are saying that actually there is a problem with the physical and mental strength of reserved candidates. They are genetically weak. It is the weakness with their DNA and body structure that makes them mentally weak. That is why even after having same standard of education they should get reservation otherwise they won’t be able to compete with the general category candidates. In a manner you are saying that they should be regarded as physically and mentally retarded people just because they are born in a schedule cast family. No matter how rich or strong their parents are.
    This is the most ludicrous thing I have ever known. All of my schedule cast friends are good sportsmen and are nowhere less intelligent than me or my other general category friends. As a matter of fact one of them is a university topper. One of my S.T. friend just got a job in indian army through sports quota. Few of them also have played for state level. If your arguement is true to even a slight extent why don’t we see it in our daily life. I think Bharat Ratna Dr. Bhimrao Ambedkar is a clear and a very strong contradiction to your opinion. Don’t tell me that I am blind or uneducated, so I don’t notice these things.
    Do you think that it is right to use reservation for generations after generation ? Should the son/daughter of a schedule cast officer get the benefits of reservation ? His father has already bagged the benefits of reservation in his life and got the job, now he can educate his children and make them competent just like others so that this time some other needy person can get those benefits of reservation.
    If your definition of reserved quota says that these are the candidates who can not achieve the level of competence as general category even after having same financial, physical and educational condition, then I am sorry to say that you are lebeling these people as those who has been abandoned by nature and can not be same as general people, no matter what their condition is. This is a clear offence to reserved category people.

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Do you think that all those who are very much capable of doing works, really do their part of jobs ??? NO.. Implementation of reservation on economic basis is already maintained for some program by government and for some educational institutions for each and every students.. The problem is to find the cause of this imbalance in economic power, as I told..

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EFFECTS as you told

1. the quality of human capital( human resource) will rise.
::::: Do you think that this country lacks human resource now ?? The deficiency lies in research on each and every field for which some governmental program are to be started.. The deficiency lies in implementation of technology.

2. the deserving will get their chances
::::: So you think that now those are getting chances for jobs and higher studies are not deserving ?? This is a pessimistic view.. Some deserving candidates are not getting chances because of the lack in education system and lack in implementation process of recruitment authority. You cannot say that this country are unable to flourish because of the reserved candidates.. You must be aware about reservation on the ground of population ratio for each state, you must know about the reservation % in some of the southern states.. Do you think that the doctors, engineers, scientists, govt job holders from those states are not providing sufficient work for their country ?? If not so, then why they are not deserving ??

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well as i read most of people here, there r talking abt history, hindu society nd all.
I BELONG TO SC CAST.
my view point is that the deserving is not getting the opportunity by the current system. i my self have been in situations where people used to taunt me that u dont need to study, u will get through it by quota… nd without quota m doing gud as i left the engg. stream…..

well, all in my schooling i have been a bright student in both academics nd sports nd also student of the year 2012 in army public school…

talking of the system, my opinion is that the basic cause of this all is the education…

SOLUTION:-
acc to me the elementary edu. i.e. frm nur to 12 must be available to each n every student irrespective of cast…
sec 21 A (86 amendment) every child must be provided free education is there…… but we all r aware of reality that how govt school works……
the basic edu as i talked previously must be done COMPULSORY to each individual……
govt school must be given to private firms for functioning….. nd above all
the RESERVATION IN ANY FIELD MUST BE REMOVED………
this is because if every child gets the same education then there is no ground of difference. All have taught the same thing nd the deserving will then get admissions repectively….

now the thing is how it’s going to work….
1. the basic thing is intentions of govt..
2. privatization of govt school i.e. govt school must be incoprated with various NGO’s nd such grps….
in addition to that modern techniques nd new curriculum must be introduced.
3. basic structure of reservation must be revised nd criteria of reservation must be shifted frm CAST to ECONOMIC STATUS or PER CAPITA INCOME of a house hold…
4. the civil society with govt can only do ammendments which WEAKENS our discussion as corruption we all know.

EFFECTS
1. the quality of human capital( human resource) will rise.
2. the deserving will get their chances
3.development in almost every field as more capable people will come into all fields like economics, administration etc.
4. corruption can be curbed to greater extent.
5. NO ONE CAN STOP INDIA TO BECOME THE SUPERPOWER OF WORLD……

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    Do you really think that if every child gets the same education then there will be NO GROUND OF DIFFERENCE ??? It can NOT be so.. Can you bring change to their physical, mental and social status and make ALL SAME by ONLY giving same education to all ?? You must be aware about the physical and mental discrepancies between each class.. Do you think there are sufficient research been done to improve the current situation ?? Yes, you are definitely right about the same and compulsory education for all will bring some stability.. Can you justify all other variables which need to be improved along with the education for it for sustain longer period ??

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      Kaushik Sarkar- I am getting irritated by ur redundant arguments(no offence intended) stating that their physical/mental social statuses needs to change.. The point u are stating cannot be brought about in reality with reserving seats in colleges for those people or by reducing the cut offs . Students who get into IITs and IIMs by means of the quota system feel the heat after they begin to experience the demanding nature of the course in those institutes, because they never came there by merit.. Academic pressure also forces them into suicide…

      Also those kind of students face the ire of the students from the general category. Many of their brothers/sisters/ cousins/ friends would have worked hard to get into that college and their rightful place would have been taken away by some quots students…

      So stop bleating that we need to bring a change in their PHYSICAL / MENTAL / SOCIAL / ECONOMIC statuses.. That was what Ambedkar was trying to do years ago..And u see how have politicians and our govt use it to play politics..??

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    I think that you are the only one who instead of repeating the god damn casteism and all bias, have provided a solution. we need more people like you who instead of taking things to the ram yug or karna yug, is thinking of making future of india bright… (y)

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The reservation should not be based on the cast, it should be based on the economic condition of the person. So the maximum (Poor) people will get benefit of it.
In India in every type of govt. jobs there is reservation for various cast except the General, the maximum people from the general are in middle class, they need to pay more for the Forms, cut off marks for them is very high and on the other hand vacancy for them is very low.
So friends i must say it should be on the basis of poor and rich and for those who really needs it.

thanks.

JAI HIN! JAI BHARAT…

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Hello frd
As from above i saw that you are agree that this system shoul be stoped then why you make demand to gov
Is this our nation or not ?
R we indian or not?

This is our last time to stop this monster so called reservation if polotions see power pf aur vote bank they will definatly do somthing otherwise they can make 90% reservation if no one opppse
And soon it will eat you, your nation ,your small brother and sistets careear ,your unborn childern
it is not that hard as we are imagine we just have to spread awareness as much as we can dont need of anshan ,protest or strike just star from your home family and end to facebook atlest you can do this coz i am doing
Jai hind

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deepak ramchandani October 26, 2013 at 8:14 pm

Looking back to history engineering structure were build before engineering books were written i.e bridge build by Nal-Neel as narrated in Ramayan, many heritage building are still proof of same. Occupational skill was the base of any academy, there shall be no admission in any institute to person having less caliber, this is dangerous to the society at large , cast base reservation hurts the basics of secularist as they feel always different from others. Instead of reservation government shall spend in capacity building of the community to match with every body. This is the real secularism. This shall also create respect to every caste which is just based on occupational , now there is no occupational discrimination.

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i agree with the constitution what they had made the rules for sc & st peoples. education must be preferd to all peoples they might be poor or rich. it might be proposal for the peoples of sc & st for their growth in knowledge & financially, then what about in government job here also reservation are going na. in education & Gov Jobs are also having reservation for them what about the other poor & middle class peoples in other casts peoples will do. they don’t have enough money to study in good collages & even after studying also they din’t get good job also what does it mean. in caste certificate it was mentioned that general category means they will not get the job what they should they do by scoring the 85% in degree, if an sc & st people will take 45% or 55% means they will get jobs & other facilities very easily, what other should other cast peoples will do in that some are poor & some rich that means all should obey the rules of our government it is the totally mistake of our constitution leaders & politicians for their vote bank they have take out all Trash Rules on Sc & st people & give all the equal Rights for all the Citizens of India…

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I feel so irritated with this favor for schedule caste,if they are providing quota for them,then they should even check,whether they deserve it or not.If a person living in poor conditions get this quota,its understandable,but people who r leading a posh life style r enjoying this favor just because they r from schedule caste society.IT’E REALLY REALLY PINCHING.My elder son got excellent marks in his 10th & 12th standard & even scored decent marks in MBBS ENTRANCE EXAM,but could not qualify it,due 2 this quota system & one of his classmate[a girl,don't want 2 name her]got through it easily being a schedule caste.Her mom is a doctor,father is a high class businessman,she has throughout laid a posh life,then WHY IS SHE GETTING THIS BENEFIT.Her mom[DR.]must have taken this privilege years back,now she is getting it & this favor will continue for generations.WHY?They need 2 keep an account that if a person has taken this advantage,then no one else in his/her family should get this,as after that favor,the person sure must have rise from his/her poor status & can take care of his/her kids by giving them good education.Then why should they keep on getting this undue advantage.THESE PEOPLE NEVER SHOW THIS SITE OF THEIR’S IN THE SOCIETY.WHEN THEY R AMONG US,THEY NEVER FEEL PROUD OF BEING A SCHEDULE CASTE.BUT AT THE TIME OF GETTING BENEFIT FROM THEIR SIR-NAME,THEY JUMP & GRAB IT.I STILL REMEMBER HOW SHOWOFF HER[my son's schedule caste classmate]MOM WAS?BUT TAKING THIS ADVANTAGE NEVER MADE HER FEEL ASHAMED.NO schedule caste PERSON WHO IS ABOVE POVERTY LINE SHOULD GET THIS BENEFIT.IT’S CRUELTY TOWARDS OUR KIDS.THAT GIRL SCORED V.LESS MARKS IN CL.10th,12th & MBBS ENTRANCE IN COMPARISON TO MY SON.
If we want a society without caste system, the reservations should not be caste based In fact, reservations have done lot of damage to the society apart from inflicting loss of opportunities to merit, they divided the society on caste lines.
ANAMICA GOEL

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    I dont know how to make understand indian people..sirf ek baat ka jawab do muje abroad mein koi high or low caste hai..bt india mein hai..kisne create ki apne aap se pucho..abroad mein jobs category ke bases nhi milti hai or na percentage ke bases pr or na hi addmission percentages pr hoti hai..sbko right hai educate hone ka..aisa india mein kyun nhi hai..there are lots of schools n colleges why not in india..apni soch badlo ek baar sbko ek hi nazar se dekho jaise abroad mein hai high or low hum apne behaivour n character se bante hai caste se nhi..sbko educate hone ka chance do sbko jobs do..bahut si jobs hum create kr sakte hai yeh govt ko krna chahiye agr woh corrupt na ho..kyun yeh condition rakhte ho ki jobs 50% or 60% ko milegi…zaruri nhi hai jiske marks kam hai uske paas knowledge kam hai ya woh ache se work nhi kr sakta hai or jiske marks high hai woh intelligent hai…yeh thinking hi galat hai jo koi bhi ho kbi kbi aisi situation paida hoti hai ki hum marks nhi le pate hai jyda bcoz kbi bimar ho jana financial problems hoti hai..family stress koi bhi reason ho sakte hai…or ek baat jitni jobs ki zarurat 70% wale ko hoti hai unti hi zarurat 50% wale ko bhi hoti hai…poor log bhi kbi 50% le lete hai toh kbi 70%.. general or sc ka jo jaal buna hai usko khatam kro sbhi hindu hai kuch intelligent hai kuch slow learner hai but we cant say they are not intelligent..time sb sikha deta hai..kuch log kehte hai jobs jo poor hai unko milni chahiye i agree with u…but yeh batao jo log sc certificate fake bana ke jobs le ke baithe hai jo real mein brahmin hai..jin logo ne hi yeh khel racha hai high or low ka…unke liye kitna mushkil hoga ek poor ka fake certificate bana lena or jobs le lena..i apke bhale ke liye keh rahi indian people aap sb bhul jayo or chodo iss castesim ko..kuch nhi rakha hai sivaye stress ke or apna dimaag kharab krne ke..yeh socho aisa kya kre ki jayda se jayda jobs create kr sake govt ki…ek example deti hun..aap sbne satyamev jayate2 ka episodes dekha hoga police wala..24hour police wale jobs krte hai family ko time nhi de pate hai..ab agr hum jis chownki pr 10 logo ko police ki jobs pr 24 hour rakh rahe hai wohi hum agr 20 rakh de or shift 12 hour kr de isse sbko govt jobs bhi mil jayegi or police wale bhi apni family ko time de sakegi..plz solution hamare paas hi hai…bas soch badlne ki zarurat hai..

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    The Almighty Brahmin! by Khushwant Singh
    Whatever be the sphere of curiosity – literary, scientific, bureaucratic, or whatever, the Brahmin remains the top dog. Before I give details, we should bear in mind that Brahmins form no more than 3.5% of the population of our country. My statistics come from a pen friend, Brother Stanny, of St. Anne’s Church of Dhule in Maharashtra.They hold as much as 70% of government jobs. In the senior echelons of the civil service from the rank of deputy secretaries upward, out of 500 there are 310 Brahmins, i.e. 63%. Of the 26 state chief secretaries, 19 are Brahmins; of the 27 Governors and Lt. Governors 13 are Brahmins; of the 16 Supreme Court Judges, 9 are Brahmins; of the 330 judges of High Courts, 166 are Brahmins; of 140 ambassadors, 58 are Brahmins; of the total 3,300 IAS officers, 76 [per cent?] are Brahmins. Of the 508 Lok Sabha members, 190 were Brahmins; of 244 in the Rajya Sabha, 89 are Brahmins.This 3.5% of Brahmin community of India holds between 36% to 63% of all the plum jobs available in the country.

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yes sir you r right

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friends its true ;india is still sleeping towards its development
Yes there is also a good solution ,our politics has changed its dimenssion,now india should adopt socialism.

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and my question to gov in upsc mpsc why u convert cast person in general for just screwing us or what ?

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where you see it from where you’re sitting

after all above thought just read what i say and plz just don’t try to read it try to understand it this statement you will get your vision clear

now RAj u said to NAREN very good answer and proper solution
“”I went through the conversation and I found that many people like Ramdeen, Babin, Atul, Rahul, Aritro, and Anvesh ( quite a big number) have kept their views againt reservation and only Kaushik Sarkar is defending it. The real difference is here my friends. You people able to express but they are even not so wel developed to express themselves. Its not money but the socio-cultural background which strenthen a man`s identity. If u ever get a chance then visit the slum area of any state or district. You will get the answer why the reservation is needed””
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you are correct and matter of fact the best solution to GENERAL category for reservation. see guys have look ‘outside the box’ you know, i know that reservation need to be stop or it will be soon eat india or open cast people ( i mean it ) which will come first and then it go to reverse and again we will be founding our self becoming slaves funny to think but true not believe me…… say me stupid 3 times

now think HOW DOLLAR IS BECOME MORE POWERFUL THAN OURS RUPEES AND WHAT IS PETROL PRICE NOW WHAT WAS BEFORE 5 YEAR

i don’t want to hammer my thinking over yours so just trying to realize what is going wrong this only happens when any nations growth is slower so are you thinking WTF this is related to reservation ….. well it is just wait for it or plz read dheeraj’s post at 4.29 am

but raj i am totally disagree with you in one thought you said that ” from decade and you tell some past wrong things which were made by some people also bla bla etc etc
you know raj this is a pure emotion and is only thing that make us human not just well educated ” ape ” i also agree that past people where noob they made lot mistakes but ARE WE ???
consider moderate score i.e. 60% a grade student he is not bad he can get more marks if he study more or high paid classes etc etc
now suppose 3 students are having same score and same condition as i above mention they do not get admission but if one is obc another is sc and last is open what your handmade world is giving them >>

sc person will get electronics
obc person will get science
open person will repeat it for another 1 year still no sure chances and after that he loose faith in education

yessssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!! WE KILL THE TALENT

these are new born children they are true KING OF OUR INDIA they forgot was left in history
SO this question ask to all you powerful persons WHY THE **** you are pouting thinking of my future “KING of india”

you are just repeating mistakes what my ancestor had made, dude your and mine both past is painted with blood i can say the same over 100 years British (east india company ) humiliate and torture my ppl to even though let me tell you a story dropati’s vastraharan was happen only single lady but at time of British they done same thing but not to dropti but to other 1000 of ladies
so question to ALL plzz answer it whom should i give reservation
A) to droptis family
OR
B) to unknown 1000 women’s family

Frds,
ALL IS ONE , AND ONE IS ALL !
no one is different at time of creation god give us small part of his life force and at end we have to return the life force to the god back then why by comparing god creation. past is past by doing this only we are repeating mistakes which are done in past our future will cry .

see guys at this time or this generation we are different phase if someone want to learn something he don’t need any guru in ashram or even collage, school internet is more than enough so no talent will be dead before rising by its potential but IF YOU STOP RISING A TALENT IT WILL DIE BY DARKNESS WHERE YOU ARE PUTTING HIM
it is simple is you if you put downclock CPU on your motherboard no matter how much ram you have or how many hdd you will put the computer will be always hang and guys no matter which cast you belong at deep down your heart you don’t want India become hang

this was for you kaushik sarkar try to clime down from your EGO building what you have done till you are born is only for self you not to anyone else or even you haven’t found cure of cancer so stop reflecting it and for love of god before advising a GENERAL student (no matter from rich or poor ) study tips or how to study like study hard and by concentration bla bla slap the persons how is eating his seat with cheating and low marks
and so sake of god stop saying politicians give reservation for there vote bank this stupid they give coz “”someone demand and no one oppose””. UNITE and strike if we couldn’t do anything about reservation till ::2014 election:: we will be highly educated slaves

the only thing after 60 years of reservation is given us is gift of corruption, black money coz the ppl who get promotion and job by reservation and this is nothing but corruption
communicate and spread and promise me the to show postilions general category VOTE BANK
jai hind !

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See i also belong to backward classes ,,get scholarships and all and my friend are also who belong to backward classes but also have friends who belong to open category ,,,i sympathize with them paying full fees ,and we are getting scholarship ,no fees at all …its not about money i think that fees should be same for everyone and after that according yo income scholarship must be given coz there are some students from open category also who cant afford so much fees and students from backward classes who can pay fees …

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THE HINDUS WERE EARLIER DIVIDED IN TO FOUR CLASSES I.E. BRAHMIN, SHATRIYA, VAISHYA AND SHUDRA, NOW AFTER INDEPENDENCE, THE POLITICIANS HAVE DIVIDED US INTO CATEGORIES LIKE SC, ST, OBC AND GENERAL. IT MEANS EARLIER HINDUS WERE DIVIDED INTO FOUR CLASS AND NOW THEY ARE DIVIDED INTO FOR CATEGORIES.
IT IS VERY FATAL FOR HINDUS, ONE DAY THERE WILL BE RIOT BEWEEN GENERAL CATEGORY AND SC/ST/OBC. GENERAL CATEGORY CANDIDATES MUST BE READY FOR REVOLUTION. IF IT COSTS BLOOD, THEY SHOULD BE READY FOR IT, WITHOUT SHEDDING BLOOD, NO ONE WILL HEAR THE PLIGHT OF GENERAL CATEGORY. HOW CAN THE TALENTED CANDIDATES BE DEPRIVED OF THEIR RIGHTS.

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    Hindu religion devided into four community..but again I m saying to all stupid people who living in india..caste and community only created by mentally sick people and who follow them they have something problem in their mind.four community name are Brahmin, kshatriya,vaishya,shurda. And its surprising we all India dnt know the exactly meaning of these four words..let me explain to you..brahmin means not that who born in high class..koi janam se uncha or nicha nhi hota hai.brahmin mean jo god ko janta hai usko apne samne dekha ho jisse brahma ka pata ho or apne acche karam se jana jaye na ki apni jaat se..agr Brahmin hone pr insaan ke karam gandhe hai toh who insaan ashudh mana jata hai who pavitr aatma nhi hoti hai…Kshatriya ka matlb hota hai weh yodha jo mantvta ki raksha hetu apne angg angg ko katva de..samksh praniyon ki raksha ke liye apni jaan kurbaan kr de or apne karam pr ghamand na dikhaye..Vaishya who hote hai jo apne kaam mein emaan dikhaye koi chori chakari na kre..apne kaam ko galat tareeqe se na kre..emaan ki kamai ko khaye haraam ki kamai ko haath na lagaye..Shudra ka matlb hota hai shudh or pavitr aatma….jis bande ke ander koi moh, maya, krodh or ahnkaar tak nhi hai jiska aacharn shudh ho or karam shudh ho wohi sacha shudra hai..jo apne karam par purn vishwaas rake…jiske karam ache nhi man mein ahnkaar hai who shudra nhi mana ja sakta hai..agr tum log shudra ko pero ka sathaan dete ko toh or unhe neecha mante ho toh kanjke pujna bandh kr do unke peron (feet) ko dohna unki puja krna bandh kr do..kisi devi devta ke mandir ja kr natmastak na ho or apne mata pita ke peron ko choo ke ashiwadh lena bandh kr do..

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reversation should be based on economically backward .and good students should get a scholarship

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    100% true. how to make it?

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    kya muje tum log ek baat ka jawab de sakte ho ki abroad mein kyun marks or grade matter nhi rakhta hai sirf knowledge matter rakhti hai or work aap apni capability ke according hi krte not in india but in abroad..wahan jobs koi A,B,C grade pr nhi di jati hai jaisi interview hoti uske according di jati hai..or ek baat abroad mein bhi severage ka kaam hota hai roads pr se garbage uthane ka kaam hota hai wahan kyun nhi log discrimination jaisa kuch hota hai jo yeh kaam krta hai woh low hai jo charuch mein priest hai woh high hai..wahan char community kyun nhi hai bcoz unke paas aisa cheap sochne ka waqt nhi hai but india ke paas full on time hai iske liye..am i right?…soch ko badal doge toh sb acha hi hoga…society ko ek caste line mein devide krne wale bhi hum hi log hai sb ko hindu maan kr chale toh kya kbi reservation jaisa kucha system hota..now 21st century going on but ab bhi soh baar sochte ho inter caste marriage ke liye..hum kyun nhi samjhna chahte hai hum chote nhi ho jayenge agr hum caste se bahar nikal kr humanity ko dekhenge usko important denge..be true indian..

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RAJ KISHOR CHOWDHURY September 27, 2013 at 5:54 pm

I am a ME student in JADAVPUR University , Kolkata. I belong to general category. I got the chance in JU because of my GATE score and the test I had to go through to get admission. Now coming to the real point. In my ME class there is a girl who belongs to SC category. She has done her B.Tech from PUNE. In her B.Tech college semester fee (excluding everything other than tution fee) is 80,000 per semester. Which means 6.5 Lakh approx for B.Tech course. I got this Information from herself. She lives in a very expensive area (Near Ruby General Hospital), in a flat. In those areas, having a flat means you are quiet wealthy. She got the chance in JU through quota. She is taking all the benefits which a SC student can avail.

Now my question is whether she is fit for getting these benefits just because her surname is something which makes her SC. In my view, she is actually misusing her name. She is quiet rich, but the according to our great Indian government, she is poor, backward and needs reservation. Are you kidding me ?

She is just an example showing how much reservation system is being misused in India. I have many friends in Kolkata who are very rich, owns a home in expensive areas, have cars and a very high Income and yet they comes under SC category. So they are enjoying it.

Whenever I appear for some government jobs I have to pay 500-1500 rupees for form only, while those guys who are 4-5 times richer than my family are getting it at no cost. I have to think 10 times before even applying for these exams , while they are like “Kya yar , Paisa to lag nahi raha hai mujhe, form bhar dete hai “. I am sick of this reservation system.

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dear friends one must stop fighting on reservation issues.lets not repeat the history of a divided india,which allowed foreigner to rule us by this same weakness.one must understand that reservation is not financial issue.it is about self respect,self confidence,social status of all those who were marginalised in the society due to prejudiced and biased mindset.lets introspect why the socially marginalised are not able to catch up with the general category.it is because of the environment in which they grow,where they are not exposed to academic excellence.to reach academic excellence one needs guidance from early years,when the cognitive skills of child start developing and also the environment if its not encouraging will be a natural disability on their performance.if a group is performing below standards ,we need to introspect instead of blaming them.dont compare with america in only reservation issues.compare with them in all issues like political corruption,dynasty politics and development issues.we have 80%politicians in india elected without reservation and lets compare their performance with american politicians.we know its worse.our politicians have failed us and institutionalised corruption.so its a flawed arguement to say that reservation reduces effeciency.what have our bussiness man done.ambanis role in kg basin scam,big industrialists in coal scam,long list of industrialists in 2g scam.have these people done anything for the marginalised,when people like buffet give away large amount of wealth to the poor.we dont have any problem eating the food cultivated by these marginalised castes,clothes made by them,utensils made by them,furniture made by them,buildings constructed by them.but whats the problem providing reservations to their children.let me tell,it is the majority that forms the country and its through their upliftment that we can be called true democracy.blame the govt not reservation system,for the govt could not take any proactive steps to improve educational standards in govt schools and steps to abolish caste system.if reservation has to be abolished,its only through quality education at the primary level and abolition of caste system.people themselves will not accept reservation if quality education is imparted to them,as no one likes to be called a reserved category.when ataturk kemal pasha of turkey could modernise turkey in early 20 century by abolishing skull cap,burqa,madarassa education and modernising turkey,who is preventing govt to genuinely abolish caste system,caste panchayats,the usage of words minorities,minority politics,usage of caste names beside their names and modernising education?so,friends the issue has to be dealt comprehensively.its upto the role the intellectuals play that a society transforms,like in french revolution.if intellectuals are biased in their attitude,nothing will change.lets empathise with marginalised and we shall see in near future , where india is modernised with no reservation,no caste panchayats,no usage of caste names,marriage between dalits and upper castes,no minority politics,no corrupt political system,no selfish businessman,not but the least no hypocrites who speak against caste system but refuse to marry their children to marginalised.with this we will also become another america.

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    ARE YOUR FROM SC/ST/OBC CATEGORY?

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      i am first indian.i dont even have caste name beside name like you.i am not here to confront u.your insensitivity towards marginalised only shows colonial mind set still prevalent.first of all,as a women u derive 33%reservation with many laws provided as safeguards to protect you.before you speak about constitutional provisions of marginalised,reflect upon the constitutional and statutory benefits u r deriving being a women.we are not oppossing your rights and entitlements,because we are sensitive to womens problems.i think u should also develop some sensitivity about the problems of the marginalised.

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    dear bro,
    your points were nice. for developing a nation and to eradicate caste from a society, there is no need for caste quotas. giving education equally to all is enough. brilliants should not be judged by caste quotas. it should be done by merit system. quotas can be used for economic status of a family. do you know the scams are done due the unqualified persons sitting in position without knowing their power, who came to power by caste quotas?
    and for marriage, seeing caste is not a bad thing. because, we have different tradition and even different foods between castes. hence a girl or boy can’t easily adopt to the other system. so why parents were against that. that is different topic, which is not to be discussed while talking about quota system. eligible students were not getting qualified, eligible staffs were not getting promotions, eligible citizen were not getting the benefits due to the present quota system. this is the frustration among us. i belong to MBC, but i love my nation and its development. we are not against the caste system, we are against the quota system. thinking of past is not at all benefit to the present. think of future, it may help to present.
    JAI HIND

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Reservation quota system in India is running since long time. This system is beneficial for some particular students.

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1 of friend mentioned giving 1000rs to begger wont help him but the real help is providing them opportunity and reservation is that opportunity. FYI
reservation is not an opportunity but it is a rogue in the society it will not help sc st obc but it is entitling them as bkward people it is providing them an opportuning of not studing , making them boss wouldn’t change the mindset of people they would still be untouchabe . .bt treating them on equal ground and competition can help

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Correction
H) few of them dont like study

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We dont need reservation, but the alternative is required for the uplifment of people who lacks the oportunity of equality in the society(e.g. Education, social status, respect etc.)
A) because it hasn’t made any quality change in the society and it is not helping the people who are living in rural areas because. (i) much of them don’t study or go for higher education.
B) less of them who lives in urban areas are getting benefited but out of them major are financialy good.
C) to get job and admission many are doing scams getting fake certf.
D) reservation is barrier to students who has potential because they belongs to general cat and 50% is reserv for sc st obc out of limited seats.
E) india losing quality product even though it has huge population thats why people dont want to live here.
F) reservation is working as vote bank for politicians( they promise reservation to other communities also i’ve heard many times on tv) which is leading to more corruption so it is making it worse.
G) child born to sc st obc family has the same mind power as others ‘ambedkar is good example and many more’.
H) sc st obc dont bother to study harder cause few of them want liking studing and few know the power of quota.
I) its unfair to the huge population who are hard working but poor and needs job when they dont get admission or job they commit suicide and it not exception . . . . . . . . .
Solution. . . . . . . . . . . . .
A) enlist the people who needs reservation not on the basis of caste but on the basis of economic class.
B) provide them education and other requirments for e.g. Mandatory schooling for name. Financial help. Counciling etc (but govt wont do such thing cause they dont want pain in their asses)
c) let them stand on their feet by themself (they will definitely earn respect of uper class and they would have equal social status).

Pardon my eng

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this reservation system is a curse i got 82% in 10th and my SC frnz got 70 65% they got good colleges in online admission n i dnt got any admission only TALENT OF HE PERSON IS BEING SEEN BY THE CASTE OF THE PERSON give seats to the eligible ones and please appoint the educated ones in the government

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    I HAVE FULL SYMPATHY WITH YOU, YOU SHOULD EDUCATE YOUR GENERAL CATEGORY FRIENDS ABOUT THIS INJUSTICE. DO EVERYTHING TO TAKE YOUR RIGHT, IF IT GOES MORE THAN LIMIT, WE SHOULD BREAK THE LIMIT. BHAGAT SINGH HAD TO EXPLODE BOMB TO MAKE THE DEAF BRITISH GOVERNMENT LISTEN THE VOICE OF INDIAN PEOPLE. LOST OF LOVE AND BLESSING FOR YOU AND NEVER FORGET THAT YOU ARE BEST THE THOSE GOT SEATS IN COLLEGE WHO HAD LESS MARKS THAN YOU ARE STILL MENTALLY INCOMPETENT COMPARING TO YOU. THEY HAVE HABIT OF GETTING EVERYTHING WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING. LET THEM BE INCOMPETENT. GOD IS SEEING EVERYTHING. GENERAL CATEGORY WILL GET THE JUSTICE, TODAY OR TOMORROW.

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I think there sholud be no reservation system insted there should be only financial help to weeker section of the society.reservation system doesnt provide the best for the country’s develpoment.equal competition sholud be there.and who said general category person cant b economically weak.even they have the right to study but nothing is provided to them….why??????
maximum scholarship are for SC,ST,OBC….why..???
A SC,ST,OBC. student studying with us…getting the same thing which we get than why reservation for those students?????
These system teaches us to discriminate ….though i havent…
from my childhood i havnt seen any incident of discrimination…neither with my friends nor with any other person

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What do you think that in india 85% of children getting education…….

For god sack just go and visit chhattisagarh,jharkhand,bihar,odisa….

Then you will come to know what is really happening !!!!!!

In chhattisagarh only 60 to 70% people who earns from farming……and they all are backward people…..

Have gone to BASTER DISST. in chhattisagarh . They don’t know even motercycle ,electicity etc.

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    What the hell!!! that means a person in a metropolis who has worked hard to crack IIT-JEE has to wait in line so that a less deserving candidate can get into his rightful seat?

    Imagine u completed ur schooling in Mumbai or Chennai and wrote IIT-JEE but missed my cut off by a few marks and not qualified,but a sc/st candidate from chhattisgarh who has scored less than half of ur score and yet gets into IIT says that “In chhattisagarh only 60 to 70% people who earns from farming……and they all are backward people……They don’t know even motercycle ,electicity etc.”, wont u feel like shit??.

    So u would be okay and say “Yes u are completely right , u are more deserving than me”??

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I went through the conversation and I found that many people like Ramdeen, Babin, Atul, Rahul, Aritro, and Anvesh ( quite a big number) have kept their views againt reservation and only Kaushik Sarkar is defending it. The real difference is here my friends. You people able to express but they are even not so wel developed to express themselves. Its not money but the socio-cultural background which strenthen a man`s identity. If u ever get a chance then visit the slum area of any state or district. You will get the answer why the reservatin is needed. The stance taken by Kausik is impressive. .I am with you.

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I went through the conversation and I found that many people like Ramdeen, Babin, Atul, Rahul, Aritro, and Anvesh ( quite a big number) have kept their views againt reservation and only Kaushik Sarkar is defending it. The real difference is here my friends. You people able to express but they are even not so wel developed to express themselves. Its not money but the socio-cultural background which strenthen a man`s identity. If u ever get a chance then visit the slum area of any state or district. You will get the answer why the reservatin is needed. The stance taken by Kausik is impressive. .I am with you.
Just pay your attention to the following…
RESERVATIONS ARE A MUST IN INDIAN SOCIETY AS PER THE GIVEN REASONS
1.80% OF INDIAN population are backward and scheduled castes and in this 80% only 15% are above poverty
2.20% of population consists of upper castes and in this 12% are in higher positions like ministries and heros and buisiness magnets yu can find none of backward classes or scheduled classes in these listings if found they are below 2%
3. according to ancestors 1.kshatriyas 2.brahmins3.vysyas 4.shudras are devided and according to caste division process of constitution in shudras many casts aquired higher positions in society and better properties are posessed by them and thus considering this the castes are added to oc group
later after the division some upper castes misused thier properties in gambling or losses in buisiness lead them to middle class life.
BUT YU CAN never witness an upper caste person begging on roads or yu cant find any servants in them. STILL IN 5850 VILLAGES ALL OVER india scheduled castes are considered untouchables. nearly 40 crore people are below poverty line and they all belong to scheduled and backward classes
4.OVER 3000 years these castes were treated inferior and harassed and treated inferior than animals and this caste reservation system taken its form in 1947 and a revolt was raised by upper castes and hundreds of people were killed brutally and in 1955 untouchables ofence act was established and no change was done in society in 1976 the Act was strengthened by the Protection of Civil Rights Act
5. FROM PAST THREE DECADES ONLY this reservation system started to play its role and only from past two decades people started to utilize this reservation system and yet many people are not yet aware of this system in india as said above
MANY UPPER CASTE PERSON STILL DISCRIMINATES AND STILL ABUSE ABOUT THE RESERVATION SYSTEM WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS.
Source: wiki answers

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    @Raj!! If u want to lift each and every single person below poverty line and want to make India like Meluha, then u are going abt it the wrong way. So is Kaushik Sarkar. If u really wanna uplift the back ward ppl , provide them food at subsidised rates. A man’s basic need is food , clothes. shelter. Provide that to them . I am living next to one of the many million slums in one of the top metro cities in India. Every time an election is round the corner, I see politicians going on in an election manifesto and offering TVs. Grinders, Laptops to those ppl who are unable to feed themselves twice a day.

    What would a person need with grinders and Laptops for??. This reservation is done to uplift them in a benevolent manner. But people like politicians and our own fu*king government is misusing this system to play politics.

    Also the people in the slums themselves are too wretched and ignorant that they are happy enough to accept what they get so that they can live that particular day/ month happily. In other words, my meaning is that they do not think long-term like we do . Reservation in education is not gonna achieve tht purpose. Its a problem tht needs to be thought out keeping the long-term effects in mind.

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NAREN CHAKRABORTY August 25, 2013 at 2:51 pm

now politicians used the reservation system for their own profit.as examples Muslim given their votes or support that party who support to get more reserved seat job/any other. recently ST lerder want to increase their reserved seat.
my question is where did we go?????????
who give the rights to the political parties to gvie my turn to the other’s(SC,ST,OBC)????
all the reserved category have their own community at every dist. or state. But we(general) have no such unity.If we get any or create the community,then we can get many options to overcome….

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In constitution by Ambedkar, He clearly stated that the reservation law will be in constitution until reserve casts starts getting full primary education. Now almost every single person is getting primary education. If not all atleast 85%. There is a need to change the law but government is getting benefit by such law so its almost impossible to change the law. There is a need to amend few sections.

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But dear Navin ever thought why they are SC ST and OBCs ?
It is a proven fact that because of the atrocities faced by them since medieval ages their mental as well as physical condition has remarkably deteriorated. it is only because of this maltreatment they were compelled to believe that they are lesser humans though they as well are inherently equal.

Go and pick up vedas it will tell u how it all started and even it is mentioned tht how a shudra is supposed to look like having dirty clothes and foul smelling body so tht upper caste(as they mention themselves) could tell them that they are foul people who only exist to serve them and thts not all.

Please tell me how such grave wounds in the very soul of a community can be compensated, where even now in many places in India the birth of a child decides with wht dignity he will be called and wht work he will do.. India don’t only consist delhi, bangalore, mumbai and metropolitan cities, it is sad tht a larger chunk of population of india constitute these backward classes and in actual they are maltreated and discriminated even today.

The people whom you see getting educated and doing jobs are exceptions but the reality is that even today manual scavenging is practiced in many a places….

Then i think wht good our constitution has does if these conditions still subsist.. but eventually our attention goes towards the developing strata of this community which is getting educated slowly…

And my question is if even to this slow rate of upliftment if people like U will object then how the hell our fellow countrymen, our brothers, the large chunk of so called neglected mass will ever gonna come forward and make india a better place where education and equality is having a brooding omnipresence??

The question is not of seats OR jobs but it is of the upliftment of the nation as a whole, this is what democracy is “thinking independently together”, isn’t it?

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    I would like to say a few words here…

    Yours is not the correct way of thinking harsh.

    Just because their ancestors had a tough time during the medieval period doesnt justify them getting special attention now….
    This just makes us, the people from the general category inferior… so a few centuries later we might need to install a reservation system for the general category and the Cycle of Life will go on and on but a true balance can never be acquired… (unless you believe that the tough time the sc/st folks had in the medieval period is something that would take infinite time to heal or in simpler words never heal)

    you said : “It is a proven fact that because of the atrocities faced by them since medieval ages their mental as well as physical condition has remarkably deteriorated”

    but what i dont understand is how would the mental and physical deterioration of an individual affect his children.
    If that would have been the case then the son of a genius would also have high IQ and the child of a body builder would have born with 6 pack abs and developed biceps and chest, which is never the case.

    So unless you are implying that the general category people are still treating the lower category people like they used to in the medieval period that point of yours seems a bit redundant to me.

    Next what i object is the point that you said and i quote “The people whom you see getting educated and doing jobs are exceptions”

    If you believe these people are the exceptions then according to you who are the real sc/st people?

    If i understand ur statement correctly then u think that only a handful of the sc/st people make it to the level of higher education and jobs that have the resrvation, then please clarify, exactly how are the 49.5% reserved seats being fulfilled EVERY YEAR???

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N.C.Mishra,Adv.H.C.Allahabad August 9, 2013 at 11:25 pm

mr sarkar u talk about the extent constituted by sc/st and obc in bpl strata, if u support reservation due to this reason of urs being 3/4 th in bpl class, how u fail to cover this remaining 1/4th of bpl class people not belonging to sc/st or obc living under similar conditions and how will u justify reservation to the largest benefited sc/st and obc class people who r living above poverty line, there is no weight in ur argument this is but an outcome of ur biased and greedy mind, u just want to encash ur caste and do this for past seven decades because of ur majority and unity, if u have ever been interested in upliftment of poor, indigent and downtrodden class people u would not be enjoying reservation for generations after generations.

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many are here who are saying that present system is prejudicial to our country but no one is clarifing… CAN I ARDENTLY ASK WHY IT IS SO ????

Please reply..

Because it will greatly through light on your conception about your country and how you think it is being deteriorated by backward classes (As they had been labled by generals only) coming forward and doing the real business.

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many are here who are saying that present system is prejudicial to our country but no one is clarifying.

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you are not only one brother. There are many others like you and me.

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what general have to score? That’ silly. Less then 50% sc, st, obc, again silly. We have no chance in 49.5% of reservation given on the basis of casts. But why your thick head is not able to understand that remaining 50.5 is not reserved for general class. It is open for all. Was Rajiv a mently retarded person who burnt himself alive in a protest against reservation? He wasn’t. He had suffered from this f*****g reservation jult i am suffering and many more are suffering. What about those people who are living in poverty but belong to general category? What about rich people of reserved class getting the benefit of reservation? So you want poor guy of general class to die with starvation. Where is equality? Are we living in sacular country? I don’t think so. Do you want more young guys like Rajive to commit suicide? That’s what you want? Reservation in education, reservation in jobs, now you are asking for reservation in promotion. This is not democracy. Why don’t you think that 49.5% opportunities are for reserved classes only. No chance for us. Remaining 50.5% not reserved for general class. It is for all. We have very less opportunities and reserved class have far more opportunities.

….. A reply by a DEMOCRATIC SLAVE

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    The Almighty Brahmin! by Khushwant Singh
    Whatever be the sphere of curiosity – literary, scientific, bureaucratic, or whatever, the Brahmin remains the top dog. Before I give details, we should bear in mind that Brahmins form no more than 3.5% of the population of our country. My statistics come from a pen friend, Brother Stanny, of St. Anne’s Church of Dhule in Maharashtra.They hold as much as 70% of government jobs. In the senior echelons of the civil service from the rank of deputy secretaries upward, out of 500 there are 310 Brahmins, i.e. 63%. Of the 26 state chief secretaries, 19 are Brahmins; of the 27 Governors and Lt. Governors 13 are Brahmins; of the 16 Supreme Court Judges, 9 are Brahmins; of the 330 judges of High Courts, 166 are Brahmins; of 140 ambassadors, 58 are Brahmins; of the total 3,300 IAS officers, 76 [per cent?] are Brahmins. Of the 508 Lok Sabha members, 190 were Brahmins; of 244 in the Rajya Sabha, 89 are Brahmins.This 3.5% of Brahmin community of India holds between 36% to 63% of all the plum jobs available in the country.

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I read the comments but it does not mean that reservation is necessary today. People belonging to lower castes get admission in colleges and universities even with lower percentage that means if they have no sufficient knowledge even they can get admission and jobs. It states that India is not uplifting the lower casts bt uplifting the lower level of education i am not against reservation. I am not saying that general category people are smarter than STs/SCs/OBCs but generals are facing more problems than other casts in getting admission and jobs because they have no reservation for them. This is unfair.

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I HAVEN’T READ all the comments but I think that the current reservation system isn’t working in development of India.
And we all will have to change this system sooner or later.

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sourav debnath July 7, 2013 at 6:40 am

Mr. kaushik kar , i am greatly surprised that you adore the caste quota system immensely , please have a look at Wipro chairman Mr. Azim prem ji’s comment on reservation:

* I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let’s start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for Muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC /ST like that. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an SC/ST/OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a SC/ST/OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An SC/ST/OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century. We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our SC/ST/OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an SC/ST/OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal. Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an SC/ST/OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters. There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let’s recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and politicians (that can really help the country.. ) Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country..) Let’s be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward… Let’s show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country. Let’s be proud of being an INDIAN.. May the good breed of politicians long live.. *

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    Very nice said………
    Mr. Kaushik Sarkar isn’t aware that the poor and underprivileged people also live in the general category. What about them. Do they get any chance to rise up. Don’t they need a good edu.
    The reservation only does only and only work ‘RISE UP THE SC/ST/OBC’S AND LET THEM BE ON THE GOOD PLACES AND WHO ARE REALLY DESERVING AND ARE OF GENERAL CATEGORY DON’T LET THEM HAVE ANY CHANCE’

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    Azim Premji is not GOD. all that glitters is not gold. check his balance sheets. asses his taxes and compare it with your. perhaps you are paying more than him.

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this reservation system should be totally stopped in comptetive exams..it is ruining india..and now a days those who are taking benefit among SC/ST are financally rich and getting benefit where as poor from this classes don’t have money to educate there children,where as there are certain poor child among general category too,they are not havig money for education,niether they have any reservation.comptetive exams check the intelligence of candidate..I had given neet pg in that the general cat person got last seat of MS ortho at 1000 rank where as the guy from sc/st is getting at 70000 rank and his percentile is 18 where ad gen his percentile is 98 ..you can see what kind of doctors will produce by taking such a noneligible candidate and then if patient dies than who will be responsible..Is there any necessity of giving reservation at pg level??? coz already candidate got reservation jn his mbbs and now he come to par with general and able to earn well,then why so this discrimination??

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I have a question or you may say, confusion. When we talk about modern age, or we are living in the age of social site and technology, Still the people who are belonging to OBC, SC, ST are really backward? Are they really so backward that they need reservation? Since my childhood, When I was in school, what my teacher used to teach me, the same subject are taught to OBC, SC, ST and same homework, same 100 marks question, but still they belong to backward? They families are too rice, many of them lives in abroad, still they are backward? I am totally confussed? Can anyone explain this?

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Hi,My name is Pradeep. I am a PG student in Engineering. I belong to lower middle class family. I have been a bright student thought my academics . After my college I preferred going for M.Tech from IIT instead of joining a job offered to me.For last three years I am appearing in GATE(a PG entrance exam). It is considered a very tough exam where a single mark,actually a fraction of it,can change the life.

But this dream became a nightmare because with my family’s financial conditions were not allowing me to do that.. So I started providing tuition to students.

After writing gate first time in 2011 I got All India Rank 780,,,It seems to be a good rank but I did not got any of the IITs.
So I continued my life as it was going on…with a determination of getting IIT next year…In 2012,I got 714 and obviously I was still not eligible for

IITs….
Finally in 2013 I got a rank 670,,,and now I am eligible to go some new IITs with non-core streams…

On the other hand one of my friend had got admission in IIT Kanpur in first attempt in 2011,and u should not sir-prize ,,as being an OBC candidate even after having rank 2000 he got it…

It really hurts me,when people with 5000 rank in gate pick good seats and on the other hand one like me after having ranks 670,714 and 780 contiguously (in years 2013,-12,-11 respectively) is still not eligible to get a seat in IITs. Does it really good sign for a developing country like India. What kind of people are going to become IITians. Whats about ” the standard and quality ” of IITs….

Am I really not eligible for a seat in IIT with such ranks..and are those really suitable for them?

With great pain I decided to go for some private institute.like a living hell…
I am not financially strong but I have to pay the fees..so I have taken education loan for that….

Now tell me…is it what the makers of constitution of India had in their mind for equality ,prosperity,,and all those bookish concepts…

What kind of generation you people are making,,,

No private organization allows this rubbish reservation system,,no developed country allows this orthodox concept any more…

If you really want to make India making progress…stop scams,provide equal rights to all,and stop speaking, it is the time now to implement all sections and streams written in our constitution..if you really respect it.They made us a good thing..politics made it worst.

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    kaushik sarkar May 21, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Not only read but STUDY carefully the constitution of india , carefully discuss with the teachers about each and every points.. Do not make such foolish comment like “rubbish reservation system”.. And let me remind you, India is not a developed country.. And To achieve the rank of so called developed country, India must leave such system – this is really a childish comment…

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kaushik sarkar May 10, 2013 at 10:00 pm

@ Anvesh Parmar .. The ‘funda’ is not only the economical imbalance.. The thing is all you are thinking about the economical condition and nothing else, there are much more important things in life to brought up a baby in a healthy circumstances, the word ‘healthy’ here I used does not only mean that unko sirf acha economical position wala family hona chahiye, bas, ho gaya unka sab acha.. a healthy and to bring ‘more equal social, mental, physiological’ circumstances in all the human being is a much more broad issue than just “two family with same economical condition”.. So, unless you see all these parameters that affect to a human body structure,human mind and psychology,human character,human behavior,human physiology, human social position, etc etc., you can not come to a point that what is going or or not.. I must say again, you are only saying about the economical position. The thing is not at all so easy and simple my friend.. Yes, some politicians DO MISUSE and MISGUIDE people about these things for getting some votes, but we must think carefully that WE MAKE THEM MINISTERS, IF WE KNOW HE/SHE IS WRONG, Then THEY CANNOT EVEN GET MERELY TWO VOTES..

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@ Dear Mr. Sarkar,
You look so irritated by my comment, probably because you have got a point by point answer.out of such long comment picking just one point, you didn’t answer my three questuons. So you don’t want to reply me because you can’t.

@ Aritra: You have written truth, very correct, Its a pleasure to read those, they match 100% with my opinion. Your comment no. 8 is exactly what we want to discuss, isn’t it a mocekry of reservation system when some castes like gurjar’s stand up and say we are also backward, just for the reservation?

Reservation is good as long as it helps to combine us. I’m sure it doesn’t hurt anyone if it is given to someone who deserve it or need it, but yes it pains when it is given to someone like Mayawati.

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I think the system is not wrong, yes what is wrong is the way it is used. It boils down to the fact that the process has to be strengthened so that the system performs well. But who would ensure that? There are so many wrongs happening. Who will ensure that the processes which are in vogue are at place?

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    kaushik sarkar May 10, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    @Shilpa.. On one hand, we can ensure, because if we see that some minister is not doing the justified thing what for he is there at that position, we can think of not vote to him again any more and give a chance to some more person, and if again and again this happens, we can withdraw it by voting randomly (?) to any person aar sebhabe bujhiye dewa jete pare tader je aamra kono motei tader ei opokormo ke sojhyo korbo na, badhyo korate hobe eibhabe kauke diye kaj korate.. proyojone nijeke egiye aaste habe.. desh er 100 jon er 100 jon i to aar kharap montri non, valo joneder bujhe nite hobe amader i, tader sathe thakte hobe, bakider mukhosh khulte hobe, mile mishe egiye giye amader i.. So, I think only we can compel them to perform well and do the needed things..

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@Kaushik Why don’t you write a blog where you would say- Why reservation system is needed. I guess that would be more helpful for all of us to understand your point clearly. What say folks?

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    kaushik sarkar May 8, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    That will be better, I know. But dear Shilpa, Nijer Dhhak Nijer Na Pitiyei bolchi, kichu lekha nije theke post korar age anek anek porasunar dorkar hoi.. I am doing PhD, aar sotti katha bolte ekdum e time paai na, Guitar tao bhulte bosechi pora niye thakte thakte.. Thank you for the idea, Ami reply debo ekhane katha hobe, tar..

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Aritro Biswas May 8, 2013 at 8:12 pm

Hi everyone,

I would like to express my views on reservation and some of the arguments brought forth by the participants of this discussion.

1. I believe in the concept of caste based reservation. But I don’t believe in the methodologies adopted by the Government of India down the ages to achieve its fundamental objectives.

2. In the Vedic age a person’s caste (Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya or Shudra) was determined by his/her profession. It was either taken up voluntarily or assigned by the Government. It was an efficient system of man-management since it practiced division of manpower into different spheres of the society, majorly based on a person’s ability and acumen.

3. However, down the ages, certain groups of people were secluded and ostracized by the other castes. This group of people, treated as untouchables, comprised of 3000 sub-castes, across five religions in the then early 20th century British India (refer Wikipedia).

4. The untouchables faced severe discrimination from the majority of the society, while they lived outside villages, unable to do anything to uplift themselves and be accepted in the society. The severe trauma faced by this indiscretion down the ages compromised their self-belief, social status, health, economy, etc, etc.

5. The objective of Caste based reservation is to eradicate the insidious effects of this practice of untouchability, which has already been abolished by Articles 15 & 17 of the Constitution in 1950, by providing them opportunities in the bigger sections of the society (education, profession, etc.) to uplift their socio-economic status and bring them at par with the mainstream of Indian society.

6. Now the question is, even after 60 years of its implementation how far have we achieved in its objectives. Sadly, although the notion of untouchability has been removed from the minds of people who practised it, the trauma it had on its victims is still persistent. Many of us who comment on different cut-offs for education/promotion in PSUs fail to see the bigger picture where more than 60% of India’s population is still in the abyss (refer Wikipedia for socio-economic status of Indian Population).

7. Whether it is beneficial to suddenly raise the economic status of these underpriviledged people is debatable. I do not think that a generous giving of 1000 bucks to a person begging in a Railway Station will bolster his self-confidence which has been cannoned for ages! Hence a system of providing opportunity has been instituted, and the reservation system does exactly that (or at least, has similar objectives).

8. However the implementation of this system is basically flawed. Firstly, the question is “who is under-priviledged?”. Many have abused this loophole in the system and identified themselves as victims with the help of social/political influence, fraudulent certificates, etc. This process of identification of the under-priviledged is not based on scrutiny of the background of the individual, and corruption has aggravated it. As a result people who have already benefitted from reservation, use it again and again, down the generations, depriving the remaining lot, who, sometimes are remotely even aware of it.

9. The system needs reform desperately. The Supreme Court’s definition of Creamy Layer among OBCs and excluding them from reservation benefits, is one such. However Creamy Layer restictions is applicable only for OBCs and must be applicable across all caste groups.

10. A system is present for providing a solution to a problem. However, no system can be perfect, or the system is as good as the people in it. The goals of Caste based reservation is instrinsically good but it is upto us to remain vigilant of the few people who try to abuse it and earn a bad name for the system (‘us’ means the educated people of India who elect the Government).

Hope you can share/criticize my opinions!

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    kaushik sarkar May 8, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Dear Aritra.. many many thanks for such a comment. It is commendable.. Your comment relly justifying some of my comments and some are really good addition to this discussion. Now I am a bit busy. I will surely make another comment on them.. Bhalo thakben

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Aritro Biswas May 8, 2013 at 8:09 pm

Hi everyone,

I would like to express my views on reservation and some of the arguments brought

forth by the participants of this discussion.

1. I believe in the concept of caste based reservation. But I don’t believe in the

methodologies adopted by the Government of India down the ages to achieve its

fundamental objectives.

2. In the Vedic age a person’s caste (Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya or Shudra) was

determined by his/her profession. It was either taken up voluntarily or assigned by

the Government. It was an efficient system of man-management since it practiced

division of manpower into different spheres of the society, majorly based on a

person’s ability and acumen.

3. However, down the ages, certain groups of people were secluded and ostracized by

the other castes. This group of people, treated as untouchables, comprised of 3000

sub-castes, across five religions in the then early 20th century British India

(refer Wikipedia).

4. The untouchables faced severe discrimination from the majority of the society,

while they lived outside villages, unable to do anything to uplift themselves and

be accepted in the society. The severe trauma faced by this indiscretion down the

ages compromised their self-belief, social status, health, economy, etc, etc.

5. The objective of Caste based reservation is to eradicate the insidious effects

of this practice of untouchability, which has already been abolished by Articles 15

& 17 of the Constitution in 1950, by providing them opportunities in the bigger

sections of the society (education, profession, etc.) to uplift their socio-

economic status and bring them at par with the mainstream of Indian society.

6. Now the question is, even after 60 years of its implementation how far have we

achieved in its objectives. Sadly, although the notion of untouchability has been

removed from the minds of people who practised it, the trauma it had on its victims

is still persistent. Many of us who comment on different cut-offs for

education/promotion in PSUs fail to see the bigger picture where more than 60% of

India’s population is still in the abyss (refer Wikipedia for socio-economic status of

Indian Population).

7. Whether it is beneficial to suddenly raise the economic status of these

underpriviledged people is debatable. I do not think that a generous giving of 1000

bucks to a person begging in a Railway Station will bolster his self-confidence

which has been cannoned for ages! Hence a system of providing opportunity has been

instituted, and the reservation system does exactly that (or at least, has similar

objectives).

8. However the implementation of this system is basically flawed. Firstly, the

question is “who is under-priviledged?”. Many have abused this loophole in the

system and identified themselves as victims with the help of social/political

influence, fraudulent certificates, etc. This process of identification of the under-

priviledged is not based on scrutiny of the background of the individual, and

corruption has aggravated it. As a result people who have already benefitted from

reservation, use it again and again, down the generations, depriving the remaining

lot, who, sometimes are remotely even aware of it.

9. The system needs reform desperately. The Supreme Court’s definition of Creamy Layer among OBCs and excluding them from reservation benefits, is one such. However Creamy Layer restictions is applicable only for OBCs and must be applicable across all caste groups.

10. A system is present for providing a solution to a problem. However, no system can be perfect, or the system is as good as the people in it. The goals of Caste based reservation is instrinsically good but it is upto us to remain vigilant of the few people who try to abuse it and earn a bad name for the system (‘us’ means the educated people of India who elect the Government).

Hope you can share/criticize my opinions!

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My reply:: Every type of reservations you mentioned here, came with different agendas and through it they have different resolutions to prove.. So, the first line and the second line is not actually complementing 100% to each other..

The Question is have these solving the purpose for which it was started?

My query:: A discrimination ? How ?? Give references..

There are many only if you wish to believe, I personally many guys and girls whose parents are of same social status but with different caste, the one having better marks doesn’t get better marks, kindly justify this..

Mine::
It is certainly can be understood from your post that you have no faith on it now. at least.. Funny thing is I suppose, one might had delivered these comments on this issue in very past time also..

The writer is not funny you are making fun of yourself by telling “I suppose, one might had delivered these comments on this issue in very past time also” can you give reference of your statements, further try to understand what he is trying to tell, the reservation system is used by politicians as vote bank by increasing it for the same.

Mine:: Yes, totally agree with your comments.. I know some persons in my class who did that and get obc certif only because he can have that by giving money to some BIG person.. But dear Kaur, how this comment satisfy your point that there should be no reservation ??

You sound foolish in this comment, you site example of misuse and still ask why reservation should not be removed? Don’t you think had there been no reservation he could not have misused it and the person best deserving would have got it?

Mine::
THese are really a very very very briefly said.. The inter-relations and inter-connections between all these are no so simple, rather complex.. You sould define more properly to strengthen your point that there should not be any reservation now.

Ohh!! really so briefly why don’t you elaborate it.

Mine:: You are saying again and again in this article.. that so called this, so called that, so, how do You define the REAL underprivileged section??

So then why don’t you define it, the thing is that after 65 years of independence we should have been in a position to slowly decrease the list of underprivileged, but where are we.. We have increased the list in last 65 years.. This is not because they needed it this is because our politicians saw votes there.. So the real underprivilegeds of 1950 still remain underprivileged because they cannot compete the pseudo- underprivileged added in the list for politics.

Mine::
At cost of another ?? Dear Kaur, at cost of whom? general category students? So, you think their social position is hampering due to reservation ?? Then, they are the inferiors now ? So, they also need reservation ?? Clarify your thoughts.. there is nothing told as at a cost of others upliftment in our constitution..

Yes I agree with Kaur, reservation is working in opposite, reservations were not introduced for jobs and educations, it was to uplift socially, so that the untouchabillity can be removed, so what is happening now, when a candidate from general category knows that someone with less marks than him got better college he starts hating him.. even if they are of same status.

Mine::
To generate equal opportunity, it was done at the commencement.. So, only you are saying and opposing to the reservation because you think general category students have affected, they are not getting their kind of jobs, social status, etc?? See, what’s going on in your mind..

Again you got the writer wrong, admission in a college is not everything my dear, you are not looking ahead to the future, I’ll give you example, 63% students of reserved category in my college could not complete engineering in 4 year, for general category it is not even 10%. Mere getting admission is not everything, you need to perform, and to perform you need strong basics, and that can not be achieved by reservation, and that was the message from the movie Aarakshan, Today what is happening is even those Backward caste persons who are very well capable of competing with general category are not doing so.. and to be frank why should they when they are getting it with lesser effort??

Mine ::
Yes, it did not give them the respect in the eyes of greater portion of the country.. But dear Kaur, it did give them self belief, social status to live a good life after being deprived for many years, You should also know disease like TB is generated in them more frequently as because of their poor genes..

Well may I ask you did your father get the benefit of reservation? By the way disease can happen to anyone and it does not select backward gene.

You should understand that no one has a problem as long as it benefits the needy.

Give your opinion on these..
1. Mayawati stands for election from a reserved seat, does she need it?

2. Can someone with 40 marks compete with someone with 100 marks? (the cut offs are generally like this only)

3. Don’t you think instead of reservation if better opportunity of education is given from birth they would be more beneficial?

Finally I would say reservation was good when implemented but in current scenario it iss doing more bad than good.

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    kaushik sarkar May 8, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    You need to brush up your knowledge firstly dear Gaurav.. You are saying about equal status, and on the other hand asking me about the my father how he get the benefit of reservation? Is this called a status which we are having.. You dont even know which category I belong to. Still you made such sentences, does all it mean you respect such category people ?? What a shame.. I respect the blogger that is why I am replying to her and asking for many.. But I am not going to reply to such a person like you..

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Ramandeep Kaur May 8, 2013 at 11:03 am

Hi Kaushik Sarkar. Neither me nor my writing is against any person or community. These are just my view points on this topic.

Do you think every student belonging to general category has more brain than a student belonging to an underprivileged category? I do not think so. If this demarcation is not there then why are we still forcing the reservation system when they can compete. Generally they need financial assistance for which colleges can have different fee structure and all. But just because someone is from a certain segment of society and on the basis of that he or she should be given seat is not fine. Let them be free from all the man made shackles of the society.

If you feel that India’s education system and our society still need reservation then you can write an article and submit it on myindia.in.

Thanks

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    kaushik sarkar May 8, 2013 at 11:35 am

    You think the only difference is the financial difference ?? And nothing else ? neither socially nor educationally nor in self-belief nor in status of living nor in the aspect of to be respected by all ?? If you think “some people to have money in their pocket” is equal to “they have sufficient education, self-belief and they can contribute to one country’s upliftment”- well, this is a wrong idea. The basic idea is the upliftment of one country through each and every portion and every kind of people without discriminating race,color,sex,religion etc etc, and these all are to be maintained as long as they do not hamper the country’s upliftment. Someone commented here about cut-offs. Different cut-offs does not mean at all that some are excellently eligible and some are not eligible at all to justify that post. If you think the only parameter is the financial imbalance- then it is a childish remark.. I again, repeat myself, while making a comment, you have to discuss why and how the current situation is affecting badly to the society, affecting the belief and upliftment of the country and the how the solution you made to be really justified. Unless you do that, no comment make any sense.

    And I didn’t get any of the answers what I asked you in my older post. I spend a lot of time to post your comment and then reply of mine line by line- but I guess you perhaps believe not to discuss with them, I don’t know the reason behind it..

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      Anvesh Parmar May 8, 2013 at 6:14 pm

      Kaushik, I don’t think you’re getting it! Let me tell you in a simpler way.
      I and a friend of mine, we study in the same class, same school and live in the same locality.After attending the same coaching classes, we both appeared in JEE Main this year. I got 77 marks and he got 65. I was unhappy to hear this that we both didn’t make the cut-off 113. He then told me that he did make it, because he is SC. (cut off for him is 50). His father is financially stronger than my father, although they both couldn’t have a better start than each other in their lives. His father got promotions more quickly because of this caste based reservation system. My father won’t even be able to pay fee for a pvt college on his own.

      Just tell me, was it all fair and where is my fault in all this?

      Caste Based Reservation in Education/Employment is not healthy.

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        Anvesh Parmar May 8, 2013 at 8:46 pm

        Dear Moderator, well, was that breeding part/egg laying too bad? My apologies :)

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        kaushik sarkar May 8, 2013 at 9:56 pm

        It was not healthy at all in any time in the history my dear friend.. If such mental dis-satisfaction occurs in some men/women due to such reason like yours, that is a totally different issue, of course we should have a healthy chat about this and government should do it too. But, seeing only one prosperous generation and making such decision that they are healthy economically and so he should not have a legal right to use such sc certificates, that will be a dangerous thinking for our society. It is not about anyone’s fault. But surely you have to maintain your mentality for such friends, I can bet you also cannot understand what is going on in his mind. I am telling again and again you must tell while in a discussion that how this present system is affecting to the gross upliftment of the country in respect of all people, because that is the basic idea..

        Thanks.. Prepare well for the next.. and do well in life..

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          Anvesh Parmar May 9, 2013 at 10:51 am

          Thank you! And I can tell, he says he doesn’t like this system either but won’t protest because he’s getting benefits. If you so agree that only economically unhealthy SC candidates should be eligible for reservations then why not economically unhealthy GEN candidates? I am not against reservations but caste-based reservations. I have another friend, and she is a girl but the most brightest in our class and she missed the cut-off by 6 marks just because she was GEN. Why is there no reservation for girls then? They need it too. They have been ill-treated even from times before this caste system emerged! This present criteria of identifying people eligible for reserved seats should be abolished!

          I am doing well already :)Thanks for your concern :)

          Dear Kaushik,
          Do you want to Keep SC caste? Reservations or not the caste must go. It divided humanity. Give quota to poor people who are talented or have potential to talent. But you are only preserving caste system.

kaushik sarkar May 7, 2013 at 11:31 pm

@ Dear Ramandeep Kaur, I am still waiting for your kind reply.. Hope to get it soon with good descriptions and fair justifications, not just for the sake of justify own comments but to make a concrete discussion..
Thanks..

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kaushik sarkar May 7, 2013 at 11:28 pm

@ Rahul , except pointing on the previous comments and discussing through them and making your own points, such individual comments made by you is a undesirable and surely not commendable and unnecessary thing..

Cut of marks for different categories cannot as a whole define that what procedure is good or what is bad.. While making such quantitative comments you must have to discuss it qualititavely too, i.e. what is the bad/worse outcome of your data ? Do you think those candidates are not eligible enough just because they got not as much marks as a general candidate ? OR, you think that candidates like them cannot produce good things like general candidates in their work i.e.,doctor,engineer,govt servant etc… and they make our country poor in respect of educational and technological standard ? You must have to put such discussion before leaving out such short and spicy* comments which encourages foul people to get more unconscious about their stronger and critical thinking..

Thanks..

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    but these cut off marks show many things. i myself is a victim of these. i have scored 109 in this entrance. and i have not been qualified for it. and one of my friends who is financially stronger than me just scored 61…and guess what?? he has qualified using the quota!!! can you ever guess what my mental condition is?? tagging these cut off marks ‘spicy’ you can’t deny the reality..no one is against SC ,ST or OBC people..we are just against the system..believe me i have worked much harder than my SC friend..through out my school life i have got more marks..but AFTER ALL he has the quota to win the race!!!

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      Read Neha’s comment and think about it. you cannot compare your one experience with whole community. there thinking level , confidence is way backward than you people.
      if one sc/st candidate get education then the people around him get education. chance to see what they never imagine(missing) , get aware fact about education , good life that is not known to them..
      but if you get seat then nothing is going to change around you . Are you going to educate any single person than your family?. bcoz higher caste people know the importance of education.
      when My in laws was in school they were outcasted , never gave them chance to learn bcoz Brahmin people dont want them around….. so they want their childerns have education… we dont get any exposer to education.
      People still do take shower if they touch by lower caste. clean their houses…

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        RAJ KISHOR CHOWDHURY October 18, 2013 at 11:57 pm

        And who said that brahmin people are rich ??? And how is this possible that somebody left school just because brahmin don’t want them to get educated ??? Are you talking about school or some old gurukul eh… I have never seen that anybody leaves school under pressue .. you are in 2013… And how the hell did brahmins took away their chances… was the entire school management brahmin…. DO you have any concept about the poverty of brahmins… 98 % and yes 98 % brahmins can be seen working in Marwari kothis as Maharaj (cook), pujari and earns not more than 5000-6000 rs per month.. I am a brahmin and I know the condition of my community… Don’t put blame on my community…. And for your great knowledge base, I never took shower after touching my lower caste friends.. I even share same plate to eat, live in my hostel with my scheduled caste friend and so do my family…. You are still in 1750′s…

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    Dear Neha,
    Not all General category students are from well to do families. I have seen multiple poor general quota students who have no options to education. In fact even if they are poor they are forced to go to class to get a score to get admission.

    We cannot punish a newborn for any atrocities done by his forefathers. Then why do you want to punish students?

    Finally, reservations only maintain caste structure, why dont you Hindus leave caste system all together and establish one caste Humans?

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    mr. kaushik i feel as if the data regarding the cut off marks produced by rahul is ok….

    what i want to know from you is how can you justify that the general category student was not able to qualify the further step and the reserved candidate did…

    i just want to say that if he could have performed better than what he did,he would have done that before itself and the general category candidate who gave his best for the seat did not get the seat just because of the cut off marks criteria in which he belonged to the general caste…

    don’t u feel,for a student or a job seeker, to be born in a general category is a curse????

    and even tell me that if u would have been in the same condition and you were not selected just because of your caste, what would have been your opinion at that time????

    justify…

    its nice to use spicy words to make your views stronger but it wont make our country in an equal state…..

    “everyone who reads this statement,kindly reply me on the same just because i personally want to know whats your personal opinion regarding reservation…..plzzz”

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      i just want to know that whether their should be reservation or not….

      if it should exist what should be its criteria????
      based on caste or based on economic state of a family without seeking their caste that whether they are sc/st or they are belonging to general

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the iit jee 2013 marks requirements are as followed
general- 113
obc- 70
sc- 50
st- 45
now tell me HOW IS THIS FAIR????? the people belonging to sc and st have to score less than half what the generals have to score…..WHY???

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    One needs to take account of the kind of exposure and coaching facilities most of the general category students have. Also, much of the difference is made in the schooling itself. The kids from well-to-do families go to the best of school and have all other facilities at disposal, while SC/ST students who are financially poor couldn’t even afford quality education (Exceptions are there but very few in numbers)

    Reservation is a corrective action which tries to establish social equality. And nothing can justify the thousands of years of atrocities and exploitation of SC and ST people. But more saddening is when even today they are discriminated. SC and ST’s accommodate for 22.5% of seats of the total while they constitute more than 3/4th of the BPL strata.

    If only comparing marks is the benchmark. Then all the candidates should’ve access to the same quality of education, facilities, diet and other constraints which effect the preparation. Only then it will be fair and who-so-ever has higher score may get admission. But many people only carry biased mindset and shortsighted to consider other factors that play a significant role. Thanks

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      kaushik sarkar July 25, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      Many thanks.. at least one people is there who can understand these basic things what I tried to convince other visitors many days before.. Many thanks Neha..

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      Well if i may point out:

      “The kids from well-to-do families go to the best of school and have all other facilities at disposal, while SC/ST students who are financially poor couldn’t even afford quality education ”

      exactly what gave you the idea that only sc/st/obc people are poor? arent there any general candidate who belong to the category “POOR”???

      I can assure you that while the people with reservation from a well-to-do family are enjoying their “RIGHTS” to knowledge and a good job, a lot of general people out there who are not doing well financially are denied the job or education that they deserve.

      So i want to ask why should the reservation be based on caste any more??
      if what you say are true that most of the BPL candidates comprise of the sc and st then wont u agree that the reservation system would work better if it was graded by a person’s net income???

      On the second thought if i remember correctly person under BPL do recieve a certain amount of help from the government dont they???

      and if being poor and not getting the right kind of facilities be your reason to demand a leverage of almost 50% (or a boost if u would say) then i would really like to ask how would u say that as “leveling the odds”??

      Now if there are 100 seats in any competitive exam 49.5 seats are reserved for these people. Not only that in the remaining 50.5 seats also they are getting places… How would you call that being fair???

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      You made your part clear. Let me ask you something…… Consider a cricket match. Members from well of families will get good coaching but financially backward members doesn’t. Does it mean that the backward people should be awarded six runs when they strike for a four so that they can be above the general?

      Also, suppose that I am an SC. I will be given reservation seats in colleges so that I get better education facilities. Above this, I will get job reservations. So I am sure to earn an income. Then next is my children’s turn. Why should they get reservations when I have got a government job?

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        old days they wont let them to study, now few students study wel and they dont ve such wel studied background thats y tis system. first u should know history and then u proceed. Even now also they r treated badly those days everyone took their seats now they need their seat thats y tis system. It called equality. its not match ur argument is silly. If ur sc then they treat u in bad manner.

        Category as per Government of India Reservation Percentage as per Government of India
        Scheduled Castes (SC) 7%
        Scheduled Tribes (ST) 14%
        Other Backward Classes (OBC) 27%
        Total constitutional reservation percentage 48%

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      STOP THE SPOON-FEEDING – provide the people belonging to SC ST and The OBC category , a full and real support to achieve their dreams ..

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      GIVE GOOD THINGS ( a bright, sunny future) TO THE PEOPLE WITH ONE HAND AND TAKE AWAY THE BAD THINGS ( reservation) WITH ANOTHER……

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      Neha!!! I agree with u on the part that people from well to do families are having access to coaching centres and financially poor ones are not. But this cannot be nullified by reducing the cut-offs for those candidates or by reserving seats for them. IITs and IIMs form the face of modern education in India.

      Also SC/ST people may have been exploited in the past. But that has long since changed. People are gaining more awareness.

      Pardon me, but ur comment would have been valid if this had been 1960. But not today.. Even racial and caste based discrimination exists today, but that cannot be curbed by such a crap system like this.

      The reservation of seats in colleges at the cost of hard-working general category student’s effort cannot be justified by bleating that SC/ST ppl have been over-exploited or by saying that they do not have enough resources to access the best coaching centres.

      Face it!! Reservation system today is not doing its job.

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      Dear Neha,
      Not all General category students are from well to do families. I have seen multiple poor general quota students who have no options to education. In fact even if they are poor they are forced to go to class to get a score to get admission.

      We cannot punish a newborn for any atrocities done by his forefathers. Then why do you want to punish students?

      Finally, reservations only maintain caste structure, why dont you Hindus leave caste system all together and establish one caste Humans?

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    Right. I fully agree with you.
    And the reserved candidates will also have a scholerships for being minority.
    And now when they are having equal opportunities with us in post graduate admissions and in jobs again they will get reservations.
    How is that fair. Now When we both are getting same opportunities why should be one reserved? That’s a serious Question.

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    yeah this is also the point…..

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    u r talking abut 2014.
    now what about these in 1900 AD
    general – 100 ‘/. reservation
    sc- not allowed
    st- not allowed
    obc- not allowed.
    these was merely a generation ago and I dont think these lowercaste have uplifted themselves in just one generation they need reservation for a generation more. thats how u can balance the difference

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      Did u forgot that in 1857-1947 all Indians were slave to British, but we treat British as equal now.
      You wanted to take revenge because your great grandfather did not go to school?

      Reservation should be based on Income rather than cast.

      Every government says that there are only 20% people in below poverty line.

      So the reservation criteria should be BPL .

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kaushik sarkar April 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm

Dear madam.. Your writing and my queries in amateurish grammar usages..

Your comment::
reservation has been made to bring underprivileged classes at par with privileged or general ones. There are numerous reservations like reservation for women, reservation for physically challenged, reservation for economically backward class, reservation for Scheduled Castes etc…

My reply:: Every type of reservations you mentioned here, came with different agendas and through it they have different resolutions to prove.. So, the first line and the second line is not actually complementing 100% to each other..

Your comment::
Though, reservation system is an evident discrimination,

My query:: A discrimination ? How ?? Give references..

Your comment::

but it had been started with a very good objective of uplifting the socially backward society to give them equality of opportunities. But with time its meaning and the way it has been taken by the people has left many of us to believe that it has stopped delivering for what it was made…

Mine::
It is certainly can be understood from your post that you have no faith on it now. at least.. Funny thing is I suppose, one might had delivered these comments on this issue in very past time also..

Your comment::

People have started misusing it. There are many examples of people making false documents just to get a seat in a college or a job. This leaves the more eligible candidate to give their seat to a person belonging to a reserve category.

Mine:: Yes, totally agree with your comments.. I know some persons in my class who did that and get obc certif only because he can have that by giving money to some BIG person.. But dear Kaur, how this comment satisfy your point that there should be no reservation ??

Your comment::
What has led to the formulation of reservation system in India?The deep rooted caste system in India is the actual cause of the reservation system. Dominantly, the skin colour of the person was taken into account at the time when caste system came into being, like the fairer ones enjoyed being Brahmins or upper caste and the darker ones were Shudras or lower caste.

Mine::
THese are really a very very very briefly said.. The inter-relations and inter-connections between all these are no so simple, rather complex.. You sould define more properly to strengthen your point that there should not be any reservation now..

Your comment::

This led to the total segregation of our society and to equalize this, the idea of reservation came into existence after independence. Hence in 1950 the quota for backward classes was made and from time to time many new quotas and reservations have been added to this.
.. Okayy

But still, the condition of so called underprivileged sections in India are the same even that we have crossed so many decades of independence.

Mine:: You are saying again and again in this article.. that so called this, so called that, so, how do You define the REAL underprivileged section??

Your comment::
Reservation is working in the opposite direction to its main objective as is demarcating the society further. It is being used to uplift one section of the society at the cost of another.. which is not fair

Mine::
At cost of another ?? Dear Kaur, at cost of whom? general category students? So, you think their social position is hampering due to reservation ?? Then, they are the inferiors now ? So, they also need reservation ?? Clarify your thoughts.. there is nothing told as at a cost of others upliftment in our constitution..

Your comment::
. Instead of this there should be equal opportunities for all. Moreover, a capable candidate does not need any certificate of being from a lower caste to prove their worth. It is his mind, education and ability to compete that can bring change in life.

Mine::
To generate equal opportunity, it was done at the commencement.. So, only you are saying and opposing to the reservation because you think general category students have affected, they are not getting their kind of jobs, social status, etc?? See, what’s going on in your mind..

Your comment::

Taking a seat just by showing your under privileged certificate won’t give you anything, but just the degree or a job.

Mine ::
Yes, it did not give them the respect in the eyes of greater portion of the country.. But dear Kaur, it did give them self belief, social status to live a good life after being deprived for many years, You should also know disease like TB is generated in them more frequently as because of their poor genes..

Baki ka hissa baad mei likkhunga.. Agar koyi reply mila to.. THank you..

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    Mr. Sarkar aapni toh puro blog ta ke surgery kore dilen. :) On a serious note, yes reservation system is needed in India but if that is going to be misused then what is the option? The blogger I guess is saying this and any blogger is entitled to freedom of expression, no? Moreover she has raised the question whether such system is needed or not?

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      kaushik sarkar May 8, 2013 at 9:39 pm

      Ami monehoi na kokhono i bolechi je kon ta proyojon ar konta proyojon nei.. Jini blog likhechen ami sudhu tar point gulo dhore dhore kichu kichu clarification cheychi justification korar janya.. Jakhn jei point tola hobe, tar sapekkhe kano sei point ta or sei point er situation ta country r janya kharap sei niye discuss na korle bekar alochona hoye jay.. tai noi ki ? Jodi apnar monehoi je ami tar freedom of expression e badha diyechi, that will be a childish thought, rather ami blogger e ahvan korechi barbar je please amake reply din, reply din, er mane ki tar freedom of expression ke badha dewa ? strange !!

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        kaushik sarkar May 8, 2013 at 9:45 pm

        Misuse ke korche, kibhabe korche sei niye kichu jodi apni bolen dear shilpa, tahole apnake reply dite subidha hobe.. Blogger misuse korar katha bolechen sei lokeder jara actually not belongs to those category, apnio ki sei lokeder eibhabe misuse korar katha i bolchen ? Tahle amar reply holo– Jodi tara sei category r lok na hoyeo just reservation er under e thaka issue gule niye profit pete chesta kore, seta tader kora crime, tader proti aboshyoi bebostha newa uchit.. Kintu tar mane ei noi je reservation ache bolei tara ei crime korche, that make no sense.. Chor er churi korar janya kono karon lage na, by profession se chor, Law pore thakle hoito janben, ekta katha ache, jakhn kono chor churi kora bandho kore dei, take takhn i suspect hisabe dekha hoi, karon that is unusual behavior for him..

        Misuse korar bepar ta details e bolle subidha hoi, kar kibhabe misuse korar katha bolchen, tar sathe reservation system thaka ba tule dewar ki somporo, sei bepare jodi bolen kichu, to sei anujayi kichu bolbo..

        Thanks..

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          Misuse ki bhabe hochche, dhorun aaj government night shelters banachhe, seta uchit. Kintu aaj oeyi night shelter jodi jara needy tara na peye jara nijer suvidher jonne korche then don’t you think that is misuse. Kokhono shunechen ki loke etao bole er theke bhalo ami SC/ST/OBC hotaam, aaj admission peye jetam. As I said the fault lies in the use not in the system. If we cannot control the use then how do we sustain the system?

        Arre apni bhabun je likheche shey ekta viewpoint e seta likheche. Ebar tar anno dik hoteyi pare, keno hobe na, shob kichu r different perspectives hoye. Ami khali eta e bolchi there are two different perspectives and we should accommodate both :) Apna ke dosh dichhi na.

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          kaushik sarkar May 9, 2013 at 12:30 am

          Han, aboshoyi seta misuse, ar Han oirokom katha bus e train e hajar lokkho bar sunechi, but tar mane ki bolte chaichen? Dekhun, Ami aapnar motamot niye kichu birodhita korini, but Blogger ke jiges korechilam je sei sob lokeder misuse korar sathe reservation system uthhiye dewa uchit- er mil kothay?? ultobhabe blle, blogger er katha te eirom daray je kono rule/law ke misuse kora uthhe jabe jodi sei rule tai naa thake, eta ki kono kathar katha holo? Ki artho er? Jara misuse korche, tader aboshyoi kichu upaay e birodhita kore sabar nojor e bepar ta ana uchit jaate govt. o mukh firiye rakhte na paare, but, Blogger er katha porpor duto sentence pore mone holo reservation system tai daayi sei sob lokeder misuse sekhanor janya, maane koekjon ke sukh er swaad dite giye koekjon ke jano tara i gunda baniye diyeche misuse kore illegal kaj korar janya.. Ami just bolechilam ei duto sentence duto alada alada bepar, ekta anya take complement kikore korche ???

          kaushik sarkar May 9, 2013 at 12:32 am

          Apni hothhat amay jiges korlen ami ki mone korina je blogger er o right to speech er freedom ache.. eirom comment sune amr mone hoyechilo amar katha te monehoi serom dhora poreche, tai jiges korechilam je ami ki blogger er katha bola te badha hoye darachi, ki na … blogger o bolchen, apni o bolchen, amio bolchi.. etai to bhalo. tai na..

          kaushik sarkar May 9, 2013 at 12:39 am

          KIndly jodi ARITRO BISWAS er comment ta poren, tahle bhalo lagbe.. Amio seirom i kichu kichu bolechilam, kintu durbhagyo desh er, je koek jon maante naraj je kono trauma, health deficiency syndrome, eisob je projonmo dhore sei lokeder mone dana bedhe aache… aneke social economic equal status er katha boleche, abar tader i ekjon amay proshno koreche amar baba ki ki bhabe sei category te hobar subidha peyche, bhabun tini janen o na ami kon categoryr, ami publish o korini, taar moner modhye dana bedhe aache sei categoryr lokeder proti ei rokom somman je amar comment porei jole uthhe eisob katha bole, arekjon obc der niye racist like katha bole gelo… dekhun, erai naki bole sab category equal status socially, naki manuser moner mdhye sei alada alada pichhiye pora lokeder proti alada monobahb e nei, erai abar bole economic status ek holei naki sob equal hoye gelo.. bhabun ekbar, eder ei somosto comment ki eke anyo ke complement kore ?? naki swa-birodhita kore ?

      I think reservation should be made on the basis of the family income of the candidate. That will be more satisfactory. Because there are many candidates which belong to minorities/reserved but they are having a good lifestyle and their parents are capable of providing them good education.

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    I agree that there are a lot of amateurish use of English words in this post..But that is hardly relevant..This post is that person’s opinion of the reservation systems in India..And lets face it..In order to get admission in IITs ( for eg..) the cut off for a general category student is around 300(on a scale of 360)..Where as for a SC/ST student..it is somewhere in the range of 100..Now I know a freind of mine who has worked hard for 5 years to get into IIT ..He took the IITJEE mains this year and scored 295/360..Naturally he failed to clear the cut off because he was from a general category and hence could not advance to the next level(writing JEE advanced test)..He was really sore at this…Another person who is from a well off family but coming from a SC/ST category has scored only 104/360 and this guy is cleared for the next stage..Now dont u think that its really unfair?

    The main aim of introducing the reservation system was to provide equal opportunities for people of lower castes (in other words this doen NOT specifically refer to only SC/STs, OBCs or any of that rubbish..It refers to people who have talent to make it into the college/ job but do not have the financial support or access to the resources)During the days following our Independence those people were shockingly under represented in our government offices(only the rich and affluent people enjoyed the previliges)..

    Reservation must not be done on the basis of caste but on the basis of class..U can give special discounts or waive off a ceratin percent of the original fee to students/candidates who is from a financially weak background provided he has scored excellent marks in the selection process/interview and also the qualifying examinations..Instead what we are seeing is that the overall standard of these institutes are reduced by admitting certain candiates who belong to some crap of a lower class and also who has scored low marks in the qualifying examinations .This scenario proves beyond any doubt that those people have not got that ability to cope up with the rigorous nature of the course offered by the institute..Where as a more deserving candidate who has missed the cut off by a whisker is made to stand in line ..all for the crime of belonging to general category..

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    yes, it’s true……………..

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    I do agree with the points you have well pointed out , u r very right that if the system is misusing it, it in no way means that Reservations should be stopped !

    Why not instead talk about the revising of the system and removing the loop holes

    If there are loop holes in our democracy, do we leave the system or rather try to repair the system..

    I would be using your words in my presentation . I hope u dont mind…..will acknowledge u for sure..:)

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    So as you said that the cost has been spent on the general students ……did you know that how many schemes are made for underprivileged person for increasing their Status in the society.
    But for your information that cost is used by the ministers . not the general people

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    Nageswar Majhi March 29, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    sir,
    good post mortem. First thing I would like to say that “yes we do still need reservation.” If we cannot provide free education, same education, same facilities, same nutrition.
    ? TO MAM.
    why there is different education in same nation?
    why parent are getting more inclined towards private school and college?
    why coaching centres are emerging like mushroom?
    Is not education system today is mere a business land?

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Partho Chakraborty April 29, 2013 at 8:41 pm

Hi I too totally agree!!

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I completely agree with your points. The reservation has now become only a tool for the politicians to play vote bank politics. What can be done, instead, is to provide free education (free books and other study materials etc) to the underprivileged.

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    Ramandeep Kaur March 15, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Absolutely. Politics and education are two separate things and must be taken differently. Free education but of quality can certainly help.

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    guyzz dont you think reservation should be on the bases of economic background? i mean those who belong to sc, st, or obc caste and are poor like they cant afford resources for studying, or they dont have facilities. only they should have reservation rather than those sc, st or obc who are equally rich like general or having equal opportunity like general caste

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      See guys, it should not be on the basis of category like general, SC, ST and OBC. It should be on the basis of economic strength and condition of family as in most places like rural area where unprivileged classes use to live, there economical condition is not so much as according to our perception and concern. So reservation should be on the basis of economical strength and condition of the family.

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      That still got another problem! How can you differentiate between rich and poor? Everyone, without a government job, make false income certificates proving themselves eligible for every privileges from government.

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      reservation is done on the basis of socio-economic background, not just economic background.

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    guys just chill out a bit … the general tendency has been to oppose the reservation system … but in doing so you are forgetting the rationale behind reservation policy…it intends not only to economically empower the lower castes but also to socially empower them…we tend to look at the economic aspect of reservation only….the pain that people belonging to lower caste endure via social discrimination is agonising, even though they might be financially well off…. so reservation policy has to be continued for future generations also until our society stops discriminating against them …our societal attitude towards SC/ ST’S have to change drastically …i still find friends of mine who are feeling hesitant to talk about their category in public…..it is because they feel that they might be treated differently when other people come to know about their castes …….. i for a fact know that not many people discriminate others based on caste , but still this practice is omnipresent in india especially rural areas…..so i kindly urge you guys to see the broader picture and realise the importance of reservation ….

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      सबसे पहले तो मैं आपके विचारों के लिए तहेदिल से शुक्रिया कहना चाहता हूँ ई आज भी दलित वर्ग उतना ही दबा हुआ है जितना आजादी के समय था, फर्क सिर्फ इतना सा आया कि पहले वह शारीरिक व् मानसिक रूप से गुलाम था और आज वह मानसिक रूप से गुलाम है . आज एक दलित अधिकारी अपने ही समाज मैं जाने से पहले दस बार सोचता है जबकि सामान्य वर्ग मैं सहरी परिक्षेत्र पुरातन मनुवाद ख़त्म सा हो चुका है I हलाकि गावों मैं हालत जस के तस हैं.

      मैं तो सिर्फ इतना कहना चाहता हूँ कि अगर आरक्षण नहीं दिया गया होता तो जो नकसलवाद कुछ राज्यो मैं है वो आज पुरे देश मैं होता या ये हो सकता है कि भारत आज भी दुबारा गुलाम होता

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      So since u r treated unequal but rich do u need a seat of a poor… the poor would be begging on the road even tough he got 95% marks.. and u would be enjoying with the ur job even tough u got 70% marks… just remember one think u r the real beggers.. who are begging for jobs even though u r not qualified for the job… stupid and duffer…

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      I completly agree with you bro..
      They dont the condition of us…
      We went to goverment school they went to private..
      In goverment school we were suppresed by our teacheres that we were dalit and stuff like that.
      We even had groomed our classroom because our cast was low.
      So if we are getting reservation why are the jelous of it.
      If u still belive that we should not get reservation
      Please do visit
      Any of the town
      U will get to to know what is the condition of us there..
      And lastly…
      Thanks BR AMBEDKAR ji for giving us this reservation system…

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        Yes akash u r correct they discriminating the sc and st but giving an scholarships, reservations in colleges, reservations public sector jobs, and giving fees assumptions even though their fathers having govt.jobs. if real poor student get these benefits its OK but think about if he got govt job he and his family needs reservation. Thats if real poor student or poor person can have an reservation according to thier financial background.

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    no there is no need of reservation in india
    India should have to come out from this view

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      reservation is important to the poor people of all communities,which should not come under economic system,if there is no castism we can follow economic based reservation,but there is a human rights violation based on caste so reservation should be followed

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